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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

Des Moines

French translation:

Des Moines

Nov 19, 2005 11:43
20 yrs ago
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English term

Des Moines

The name of the Capital City of Iowa.
Proposed translations (French)
5 +7 Des Moines
3 +14 Des Moines

Discussion

BrigitteHilgner Nov 20, 2005:
name "Des Moines" is a totally different issue and has nothing to do with translations as such. :-)
BrigitteHilgner Nov 20, 2005:
Sorry about the misunderstanding - it underlines the importance of people asking PRECISE questions. If I take the French words "des moines" and translate them into English, they just mean "monks". That this meaning may have nothing to do with the place
RHELLER Nov 19, 2005:
www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788998/22247528.html
www.britannica.com/ebi/article-9273973
RHELLER Nov 19, 2005:
you could post Maquoketa as another question - this info will stay on record.
Non-ProZ.com (asker) Nov 19, 2005:
This is the first time I've used this and I couldn't be more impressed!!!!! Thank you all for all this wonderful information!!!! My last name, "Butt", is British. As you might guess, I don't like the British and I have to spit everytime I say either Britsh or Butt. My Britsh ancestors, if there really were any, came to this continent in the late 1600's. All my Red ancestors declared themselves "White" after about 1830 when Red people were stripped from the right to own property. I forget the Act that made that so. Anyway, my mother is part French ("Guyer" was her maiden name - a corruption of the French/Swiss Cheese)so I've taken to calling myself Derriere. Everything sounds better when you're saying it in French!!!! In fact I live on 40 acres that I call "Chateau de Derriere"! I'm sure you all will understand that! I live near a town called Maquoketa, Iowa. Some say that's an Indigenous (Red) word the meaning of which has to do with Bear's. Do any of you know what the word "Maquoketa" really means??? Thanks again for all this wonderful information! I couldn't be more appreciative.
writeaway Nov 19, 2005:
Thank you Brigitte for adding your comment. As you see, things may not be as obvious as they seem. Historians are still debating the origin of the name.
Dees Nov 19, 2005:
Hi Dennis, sorry for writing my comment partly in French. Des Moines doesn't mean "I'm a monk". I was just saying that for joking because my family name is Moine (my dad's French). Maybe the name originates from "city of monks"??? La ville des moines? :-)
Non-ProZ.com (asker) Nov 19, 2005:
I'm what you would probably refer to as an American Indian. Really, I'm a Shawnee. I live in East Iowa where my great grandfather came from Ohio as the Red people were pushed West. I liver where my grandfather and father grew up. The French frequently this area prior to the British invasion and there are many places with French names including Des Moines. The meanings of these names is fascinating to me. I try to get as many translated as I can. As I understand it, Des Moines means "I'm a Monk". I wonder how that name was bestowed on that place. Thanks for your interest.
BrigitteHilgner Nov 19, 2005:
As all the answers indictate: this should really be obvious!

Proposed translations

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Des Moines

Vlib --- Arbitrage Iowa. Recherche rapide: ... Capitale : Des Moines. Villes :
Des Moines. catégorie générique : Amérique. Cette fiche est du genre ...
interarb.com/vl/p803887136 - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
Peer comment(s):

agree Jacques Desnoyers
1 min
agree Stéphanie Serraï
22 mins
agree Dees : :-)
30 mins
agree Marianne van Lunter
1 hr
agree Marion Hallouet
2 hrs
agree Platary (X) : Hi, Mitsuko !
2 hrs
agree lorette
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I received several responses and all were wonderful. Thank you all very much."
+14
2 mins

Des Moines

A moine is a friar or a monk, if that is your question. Most city names (there are exceptions) are never translated


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Note added at 3 hrs 43 mins (2005-11-19 15:27:28 GMT)
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Information about the origin of the name (NOT what I thought AT ALL!!). THANK YOU for asking!!
The history of Des Moines can be traced to 1834, when John Dougherty, an Indian Agent at Fort Leavenworth, Ks, recommended that a military post be established at the point where the Des Moines and Raccoon Rivers merge. Nine years later, May 1843, Captain James Allen and a company of dragoons from Fort Sanford arrived on the site. Captain Allen proposed to name the
garrison Fort Raccoon but was directed by the War Department to use the name Fort Des Moines. The origin of the name is uncertain, but most historians agree that the name probably initially referred to the river. Some people feel that 'Des Moines' is derived from the Indian word 'moingona' meaning
river of the mounds which referred to the burial mounds that were located near the banks of the river. Others are of the opinion that name applies to the Trappist Monks (Moines de la Trappe) who lived in huts at the mouth of the Des Moines river. French voyagers referred to the river as La Riviere
des Moines. The consensus seems to be that Des Moines is a variation of Moingona, Moingonan, Moingoun, Mohingona, or Moningounas, as shown on early maps.
http://www.ci.des-moines.ia.us/departments/AC/Information/AC...

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Note added at 3 hrs 47 mins (2005-11-19 15:30:43 GMT)
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Another opinion:
The True Meaning of Des Moines
Linguistic research has shed new light on the meaning of 'Des Moines.' Turns out it might derive from a 330-year-old practical joke. In 1673 Father Jacques Marquette met some representatives of the Peoria indian tribe near the mouth of the modern-day Des Moines River. He asked them the name of the rival tribe that lived further along the banks of the river. The Peoria told him that tribe was called the Moingoana, which became the root for the word 'Moines'. But researcher Michael McCafferty of Indiana University, while studying the now extinct Miami-Illinois language, discovered that Moingoana, translated literally, meant 's**t faces.' Evidently the Peoria were having a little fun at their rival's expense. The city of Des Moines has not yet acknowledged the true meaning of its name.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/264/
Peer comment(s):

agree Jacques Desnoyers
1 min
agree Martine C
5 mins
agree Stéphanie Serraï
22 mins
agree Dees : oui! je m'y connais bien, i'm a monk :-)
30 mins
agree GILLES MEUNIER
1 hr
agree Marianne van Lunter
1 hr
agree Kelly Symons : I'm pretty sure city names are rarely translated - I'd keep it as it is.
1 hr
agree Marion Hallouet
2 hrs
agree Platary (X) : En fonction des langues il y a en effet plus ou moins d'exceptions, mais pas là ...
2 hrs
agree lorette
3 hrs
agree RHELLER : good research!
4 hrs
agree roneill : I love etymology
4 hrs
agree df49f (X) : thanks for sharing this extremely interesting research on the origin of Des Moines - plus you guessed that Asker was asking for the meaning - so you double-deserve an agree! :)
8 hrs
agree sporran
9 hrs
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