собственник и владелец

18:24 Nov 20, 2007
This question was closed without grading. Reason: No acceptable answer

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering / Law on Roads
Russian term or phrase: собственник и владелец
How do we separate these two "owners"?

сведения о собственнике, владельце автомобильной дороги
David Knowles
Local time: 12:54


Summary of answers provided
5 +1owner and holder
Michael Kislov
4 +1owner and possessor
Clue
3 +1owner in possession
salavat
4owner vs possessor
Adam Lankamer
3 +1внизу
pfifficus
3title/record owner
Gennady Lapardin


Discussion entries: 23





  

Answers


5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
owner in possession


Explanation:
of motor road

salavat
Local time: 16:54
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Valery Kaminski: if it is the same person
7 mins
  -> Спасибо, Валерий!
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
owner and possessor


Explanation:
-

Clue
Russian Federation
Local time: 14:54
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nadezhda Kirichenko
2 hrs
  -> Спасибо!
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
owner vs possessor


Explanation:
one might possess sth without holding a respective ownership title (e.g. lessee)

Adam Lankamer
Poland
Local time: 13:54
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish
PRO pts in category: 8
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
внизу


Explanation:
Ваш пример я бы перевела:

information / facts about the owner which possesses the roads

К дискуссии об "owner vs possessor":

"owner" n. - one who has legal title or right to something. Contrary to the cynical adage: "Possession is nine-tenths of the law," possession does not necessarily make one a legal owner.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/owner

Thomson Gale published this article: ("possession." West's Encyclopedia of American Law. The Gale Group, Inc, 1998. Answers.com 20 Feb. 2007. http://www.answers.com/topic/possession):

Possession versus Ownership

Although the two terms are often confused, possession is not the same as ownership. No legal rule states that "possession is nine-tenths of the law," but this phrase is often used to suggest that someone who possesses an object is most likely its owner. Likewise, people often speak of the things they own, such as clothes and dishes, as their possessions. However, the owner of an object may not always possess the object. For example, an owner of a car could lend it to someone else to drive. That driver would then possess the car. However, the owner does not give up ownership simply by lending the car to someone else.

The myriad distinctions between possession and ownership, and the many nuances of possession, are complicated even for attorneys and judges. To avoid confusion over exactly what is meant by possession, the word is frequently modified by adding a term describing the type of possession. For example, possession may be actual, adverse, conscious, constructive, exclusive, illegal, joint, legal, physical, sole, superficial, or any one of several other types. Many times these modifiers are combined, as in "joint constructive possession." All these different kinds of possession, however, originate from what the law calls "actual possession."
http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idThread...

pfifficus
Germany
Local time: 13:54
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yuri Geifman: good references... similar to owner vs. holder
32 mins
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
owner and holder


Explanation:
Civil Code of the RF:

Статья 264. Права на землю лиц, не являющихся собственниками
земельных участков

1. Земельные участки и находящееся на них недвижимое имущество
могут предоставляться их собственниками другим лицам в постоянное
или срочное пользование, в том числе в аренду.
2. Лицо, не являющееся собственником земельного участка,
осуществляет принадлежащие ему права владения и пользования
участком на условиях и в пределах, установленных законом или
договором с собственником.
3. Владелец земельного участка, не являющийся собственником, не
вправе распоряжаться этим участком, если иное не предусмотрено
законом или договором.

Статья 265. Основания приобретения права пожизненного
наследуемого владения земельным участком

Право пожизненного наследуемого владения земельным участком,
находящимся в государственной или муниципальной собственности,
приобретается гражданами по основаниям и в порядке, которые
предусмотрены земельным законодательством.

Статья 266. Владение и пользование земельным участком на праве
пожизненного наследуемого владения

1. Гражданин, обладающий правом пожизненного наследуемого
владения (владелец земельного участка), имеет права владения и
пользования земельным участком, передаваемые по наследству.


Michael Kislov
Russian Federation
Local time: 14:54
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nadezhda Kirichenko: holder is also possible alonside with "possessor"
57 mins
  -> Thank you, Nadya!
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
title/record owner


Explanation:
I like the xplanation in my Law dictionary, which says that "record ownership" refers to finance and real estate, and to whom is "in charge" of ownership at a given time.

Gennady Lapardin
Russian Federation
Local time: 14:54
Works in field
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 23
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)



Login or register (free and only takes a few minutes) to participate in this question.

You will also have access to many other tools and opportunities designed for those who have language-related jobs (or are passionate about them). Participation is free and the site has a strict confidentiality policy.

KudoZ™ translation help

The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators and others to assist each other with translations or explanations of terms and short phrases.


See also:
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search