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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

phlébite au niveau sural

English translation:

calf vein (thrombo)phlebitis

Added to glossary by Drmanu49
Nov 23, 2006 18:44
18 yrs ago
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French term

phlébite au niveau sural avec axes poplités et fémoraux

French to English Medical Medical (general) blood circulation
Ok for sural phlebitis, but I don't understand the "axes" part.

(This is a venous Doppler ultrasound.)
Proposed translations (English)
4 sural phlebitis with popliteal and femoral involvement
5 just for the record

Discussion

Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 24, 2006:
But in this case, "au niveau sural" means "in the calf (veins)" (no evidence of thrombophlebitis in the calf veins, and the pop and fem veins ... are clear)
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
It's the small saphenous vein that runs along the sural nerve – which is why some people might erroneously call it the sural vein.
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
Anatomy was my best subject at medical school. There is no sural vein, believe me. Sural nerve, sural artery, yes.
Drmanu49 Nov 23, 2006:
I agree with Sue, when you have the full sentence, it means "no popliteal and femoral involvement".
But some English speakers do use sural, see my refs.
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
Aha! That just means that they looked at the calf veins (nothing suspicious) then continued up the popliteal and femoral, IOW right up to the groin >> "axes libres" Nothing abnormal.
Debbie Tacium Ladry (asker) Nov 23, 2006:
"Un écho-Doppler veineux des membres inférieurs montrait l'absence d'image évocatrice de phlébite au niveau sural avec axes poplités et fémoraux des deux membres inférieurs libres"
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
What's the complete sentence?
Debbie Tacium Ladry (asker) Nov 23, 2006:
Ah, OK (though calf phlebitis sounds funny to me (as a vet ;-) ). As for phlebitis vs thrombophlebitis, the text says "l'absence de phlébite" with the Doppler ultrasound, so I don't know.
Thanks for your help!
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
I get 53 ghits for "sural phlebitis" - the first 2 pages are translations from French.
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
Another point: "phlébite" often corresponds to what we would call "thrombophlebitis". Can you detect a simple phlebitis on a Doppler?
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
No, Asker kind of messed up the glossary (typical for Proz). My point is that we English speakers don't use "sural" as often as "calf". I would never use "sural".
Debbie Tacium Ladry (asker) Nov 23, 2006:
Hm. Is 'deep vein phlebitis of the lower limbs' is the English equivalent for 'phlébite au niveau sural'? I saw several refs for 'sural phlebitis' but I can't vouch for them.
Dr Sue Levy (X) Nov 23, 2006:
see "sural" here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1639444

Proposed translations

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sural phlebitis with popliteal and femoral involvement

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proximal to the joint space in line with the femoral axis; it. serves as guide wire for the seating ... Damage to popliteal artery and/or sciatic nerve due ...
www.springerlink.com/index/LW8C5JVJ8GYU9M0D.pdf - Pages similaires
Deep Venous Thrombosis: Recent Advances and Optimal Investigation ...
For example, superficial phlebitis may extend into the deep venous system in ... Although an examination limited to the common femoral or popliteal vein ...
radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/211/1/9 - Pages similaires
The Video Atlas of Abnormal Bedside Ultrasounds
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Parasternal Long Axis Parasternal Short Axis Apical Four Chamber Asystole/Cardiac Standstill ... Common Femoral Vein Popliteal Vein Chronic Internal Jugular ...
www.emra.org/Index.cfm?FuseAction=Page&PageID=1002220 - 20k - En cache - Pages similaires
Factor V Leiden / Thrombophilia Support Page - Education ...
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While thrombi in the saphenous or deep veins of the calf often resolve spontaneously,[4] these thrombi can propagate to the popliteal and femoral veins; ...
www.fvleiden.org/publications/diagpe.html - 35k

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I agree with Sue, with the full sentence, "no popliteal and femoral involvement".
But some English speakers do use sural:
ped a sural phlebitis, but none showed. clinical lung embolism. One patient suffered from a techni-. cal mistake (hypercorrection) and had ...
www.springerlink.com/index/W34X552571645443.pdf


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He developed sural phlebitis on post-. operative day 8 complicated by a minor pulmonary embo-. lism. He was put on anticoagulants and discharged on the ...
ejcts.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/19/2/226.pdf

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Note added at 3 hrs (2006-11-23 22:26:35 GMT)
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sural artery
n.
Any of four or five arteries arising from the popliteal artery, with distribution to the muscles and integument of the calf, and with anastomoses to the posterior tibial, medial and lateral inferior genicular arteries.

phlebitis, DVT should be assumed and appropriate treatment [see ... and calf tenderness, the thrombus is probably limited to the sural ...
www.acssurgery.com/acs/pdf/ACS0606.pdf - Résultat complémentaire -


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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-11-24 08:57:06 GMT)
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no phlebitis in the sural vein nor in the popliteal and femoral veins is what it shoud read then.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Dr Sue Levy (X) : both references are written by French speaking authors
3 hrs
You are right for the first two.Maybe I was influenced by the use of sural artery. See last pdf.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks you two! I didn't use sural, but this was a help nevertheless. I have adjusted the glossary entry accordingly."
23 hrs

just for the record

In French, you will find references to "les veines surales". These veins are also known as the "veines jumelles" and are intramuscular veins that drain the gastrocnemius muscle. I have seen refs to "muscular calf veins" (and muscular calf vein thrombosis) but this term appears to be essentially "European".

See the Phlebologia site (but note that the authors of this site are French and the translations do not always reflect the exact terminology used by English speakers.)

http://www.phlebologia.com/en/veines_jum_aspect_hem.asp

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Sorry, I'm not finished :-)

See also "étage sural" and "exploration surale" - it is clear that these terms include ALL the veins of the calf (or distal lower extremity if you prefer).

Etage sural
Segment du membre inférieur correspondant au mollet (voire à la jambe anatomique, c'est à dire au segment de membre compris entre le genou et le pied).

c) Etage sural
Après avoir bien positionné le malade (Figure 1), la sonde est placée au creux poplité en coupe transversale puis remontée de quelques centimètres, au dessus du pli poplité pour tester la jonction poplité-fémorale et la fémorale superficielle basse. La sonde est ensuite descendue doucement en coupe transversale le long du creux poplité pour tester tous les centimètres, l'axe poplité, le confluent saphèno-poplité, le confluent avec les veines jumelles, et le tronc tibio-péronier. Puis l'exploration surale est menée plan par plan (Figure 2) :
- le plan des veines profondes collectrices, tibiales postérieures, et péronières, le plus profond, situé près des deux os de jambe
- le plan des veines superficielles dans le tissu cellulaire sous-cutané ou dans un dédoublement aponévrotique,
- et enfin le plan du triceps sural et ses nombreuses affluents musculaires, jumelles et soléaires, situés en position intermédiaire.

http://documentation.ledamed.org/IMG/doc/doc-10837.doc

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