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éléments d'équipement de l'ouvrage

English translation: fittings

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French term or phrase:éléments d\'équipement de l\'ouvrage
English translation:fittings
Entered by: Lucia28

07:15 Oct 15, 2022
French to English translations [PRO]
Real Estate / Procuration pour vendre
French term or phrase: éléments d'équipement de l'ouvrage
Bonjour,
Je ne sais pas comment bien traduire ces mots qui constituent l'article 1792-3 du code civil et qui apparaissent dans une procuration pour vendre :
Article 1792-3
Les autres "éléments d'équipement de l'ouvrage" font l'objet d'une garantie de bon fonctionnement d'une durée minimale de deux ans à compter de sa réception.
S'agit-il de fixtures and fittings ou other equipment ?
Je vous remercie d'avance pour vos lumières.
Lucia28
France
Local time: 10:42
fittings
Explanation:
Your translation will depend on what you call 'éléments d'équipements' in the rest of your text, I imagine, since you have "les AUTRES éléments". Or, you might want to use "fixtures and fittings" when the 'generic' 'équipements' comes up and define the two types, then use 'fixtures' and 'fittings" as appropriate.

The 2-year guarantee applies to fittings.

Pendant 2 ans : garantie de bon fonctionnement La durée de la garantie de bon fonctionnement est de 2 ans suivant la réception des travaux. Elle peut être allongée si le contrat le prévoit. Cette garantie impose au constructeur de réparer ou remplacer les éléments d'équipement défaillants. Il s'agit de tous les ÉLÉMENTS D'ÉQUIPEMENT DISSOCIABLES (qUI PEUVENT ÊTRE ENLEVÉS SANS DÉGRADER LE BÂTI, par exemple, le BALLON D'EAU CHAUDE).
https://www.justice.fr/printpdf/72790

"Fixtures and Fittings means ITEMS THAT ARE SECURED OR BOLTED TO THE WALLS OR FLOOR OF THE PREMISES (FIXTURES) and FREE-STANDING ITEMS INCLUDING GOODS (FITTINGS)"
https://www.dha.gov.au/docs/default-source/standard-lease-ed...

FIXTURE - Anything BUILT IN AND PERMANENTLY ATTACHED to the fabric of a building. Its removal is usually prevented by law, although what are fixtures and what are fittings may need to be agreed between the landlord and the tenant.

FITTING [ ...] 2. fitment. A unit or factory-made appliance NOT PART OF THE BUILDING FABRIC, such as a bath or basin (sanitary fittings) or cupboard (joinery fitting), and REMOVABLE WITHOUT DAMAGE. A built-in fitting usually becomes a fixture"
Scott/Penguin Building
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Bourth
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Local time: 10:42
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3fittings
Bourth
4FIXTURES
SafeTex
4fixtures and fittings
AllegroTrans
3amenities of the complex
Adrian MM.
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Start with a reliable definition
AllegroTrans

  

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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
amenities of the complex


Explanation:
> palpably wider than f+f (vs. the joke of f,f+f or f,f,f,f+f), the weasel-word of amenities - counter-intuitively to those unconversant with Town & Country Planning terminology - working most times into English and 'amenable' to a two-year warranty / guarantee.

Question is, though, what the 'ourvrage' is : a building structure or complex, (unfinished) project or fabric.

Example sentence(s):
  • Fabric Building Amenities Customizable accessories to turn a basic structure into the exact application you need for your project.

    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/real-estate/1203...
Adrian MM.
Austria
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 77

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: I would be wary of using 'complex', as too specific for some contexts; perhaps 'premises' would be a safer, more general bet.
2 hrs
neutral  AllegroTrans: "Amenities" of a complex could mean almost anything - B&B, a view of the sea and many other things. And nothing suggests this is a "complex". Why not look at my defintion ref. and consider whether you can agree with "fixtures and/or fittings"?
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
fittings


Explanation:
Your translation will depend on what you call 'éléments d'équipements' in the rest of your text, I imagine, since you have "les AUTRES éléments". Or, you might want to use "fixtures and fittings" when the 'generic' 'équipements' comes up and define the two types, then use 'fixtures' and 'fittings" as appropriate.

The 2-year guarantee applies to fittings.

Pendant 2 ans : garantie de bon fonctionnement La durée de la garantie de bon fonctionnement est de 2 ans suivant la réception des travaux. Elle peut être allongée si le contrat le prévoit. Cette garantie impose au constructeur de réparer ou remplacer les éléments d'équipement défaillants. Il s'agit de tous les ÉLÉMENTS D'ÉQUIPEMENT DISSOCIABLES (qUI PEUVENT ÊTRE ENLEVÉS SANS DÉGRADER LE BÂTI, par exemple, le BALLON D'EAU CHAUDE).
https://www.justice.fr/printpdf/72790

"Fixtures and Fittings means ITEMS THAT ARE SECURED OR BOLTED TO THE WALLS OR FLOOR OF THE PREMISES (FIXTURES) and FREE-STANDING ITEMS INCLUDING GOODS (FITTINGS)"
https://www.dha.gov.au/docs/default-source/standard-lease-ed...

FIXTURE - Anything BUILT IN AND PERMANENTLY ATTACHED to the fabric of a building. Its removal is usually prevented by law, although what are fixtures and what are fittings may need to be agreed between the landlord and the tenant.

FITTING [ ...] 2. fitment. A unit or factory-made appliance NOT PART OF THE BUILDING FABRIC, such as a bath or basin (sanitary fittings) or cupboard (joinery fitting), and REMOVABLE WITHOUT DAMAGE. A built-in fitting usually becomes a fixture"
Scott/Penguin Building


Bourth
France
Local time: 10:42
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Merci beaucoup

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
11 mins
agree  Tony M: Important to be careful here, as 'équipments' can be fixtures ONLY, or both fixtures and fittings. Usually in a residential sale, 'fixtures' is more likely, but it does depend on the surrounding context.
47 mins
agree  Anastasia Kalantzi
3 hrs
neutral  AllegroTrans: With TM here and please see my ref. which appears to incorporate "fixtures and fittings"
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
éléments d\'équipement de l\'ouvrage
FIXTURES


Explanation:
fittings


Explanation:
Hello

If you had to chose between fixture or fittings, it's the second one 'cos

Pour les éléments d’équipement dissociables et voués à fonctionner

Depuis 1978, la jurisprudence a affiné le périmètre des éléments d’équipement potentiellement couverts par la garantie de bon fonctionnement. Ceux-ci doivent :

être livrés avec l’ouvrage et installés avant sa réception ;
être dissociables de l’ouvrage (leur dépose, démontage ou remplacement ne peuvent s’effectuer sans détérioration ou enlèvement de matière de l’ouvrage), et pas seulement adjoints à l’ouvrage ;

Exemples d’éléments couverts : portes et fenêtres (hors huisseries), volets, radiateurs, appareils sanitaires, plaques de cuisson…

The equipment is normally there on reception, it cannot reasonably be "disassociated" (not the same as removed) and look at the examples. These elements are normally FIXED into place rather than just FIT into place like a sofa or chair

My reference gives the fuller text as the above in French is an extract


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Note added at 19 hrs (2022-10-16 02:38:29 GMT)
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oops, there are some errors in the body of the text.

I'm saying it's fixtures of course


    https://www.index-habitation.fr/decennale/article-1792-code-civil/1792-3
SafeTex
France
Local time: 10:42
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 34

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: You've got fixtures as your answer (shouting style) then you say it's fittings. I am totally confused
4 hrs
  -> oops, I've made a mistake in the body of the text, I'm saying it's fixtures
neutral  philgoddard: Me too.
5 hrs
  -> oops, I've made a mistake in the body of the text, I'm saying it's fixtures
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1 day 5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
fixtures and fittings


Explanation:
Please refer to my reference which breaks éléments d'équipement down into two categories - indissociables and dissociables

Reading the definitions of both categories strongly points to them being fixures (indissociables) and fittings (dissociables)

It's logical to have a warranty that these operate properly - e.g. a washing machine (which is not a fixture) and a central heating pump (which is a fixture)


AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:42
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Reference comments


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Reference: Start with a reliable definition

Reference information:
....first step

Eléments d'équipement indissociables


Eléments d’équipement d’un bâtiment faisant indissociablement corps avec les ouvrages de viabilité, de fondation, d’ossature, de clos ou de couvert. Les dommages qui affectent un tel équipement donnent lieu à la responsabilité décennale des constructeurs. Un élément d’équipement est considéré comme formant indissociablement corps avec un ouvrage lorsque sa dépose, son démontage ou son remplacement ne peuvent s’effectuer sans détérioration ou enlèvement de matière de cet ouvrage.

Exemples : canalisations encastrées, installation de chauffage central, installation de plomberie


Eléments d'équipement dissociables

Relève de la garantie de bon fonctionnement, la garantie des éléments d’équipement dissociable relève soit :

- De la garantie décennale

- De la garantie biennale.

Cette garantie commence après le délai de parfait achèvement et prend fin à l’expiration d’un délai de deux ans à compter de la réception.

Éléments concernés

Les éléments d’équipement dissociables concernent :

– des éléments du système de chauffage (chaudière, ballon d’eau chaude, canalisations, radiateur) ; – les équipements sanitaires (robinetterie) ; – les revêtements (carrelages, moquettes, papiers peints) ; – portes et fenêtres (et parfois les menuiseries extérieures).

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 251
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in this pair and field What is ProZ.com Project History(SM)?
Note to reference poster
Asker: Merci beaucoup


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agree  SafeTex: Yep, this is almost the same as the reference I gave before I noticed yours
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