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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

cannier

English translation:

Cane weaver

Added to glossary by Drmanu49
Jun 8, 2007 13:39
17 yrs ago
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French term

cannier

French to English Tech/Engineering Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Hi

The context is photos of the French Riviera and of "Saint-Tropez où le port, les tartanes ou les canniers sont les décors de scènes villageoise et familiale."

Tartane is a type of Mediterranean sailing-boat but what about a cannier? The context strongly suggests it is but I can't find anything to back up my hunch online or in dictionaries. The Petit Robert gives "canier" as a place where reeds are grown, and reeds ARE grown around the Mediterranean, but it doesn't seem to tie in here.

So, I'm hoping someone will have the expertise to tell me whether, oui ou non, a cannier is a Mediterranean boat.

Many thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 Cane chair maker or repairer nothing to do with boats directly
5 +2 reed bed
2 canopy
2 cane maker
Change log

Jun 17, 2007 13:18: Drmanu49 changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/78606">Sandra Petch's</a> old entry - "cannier"" to ""Cane weaver""

Discussion

Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 17, 2007:
Talk of the devil In the very next email I opened:
Les canniers sont les personnes qui, à l'instar des de certains tisserands, exploitent et traitent les fibres ou les brins végétaux comme les cannes, les roseaux, la paille, le jonc, le rotin, etc. en vue d'en produire des objets artisanaux comme les paniers, les nattes, le cannage...

I've translated as "cane weavers." Good to get this mystery cleared up and thanks again to everyone for your time and trouble in helping me.
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 17, 2007:
Hi everyone I am still scrambling for feedback on this one. I'm closing without grading as a temporary measure (following reminders to grade) and will unclose and grade as soon as I have the appropriate info. Thanks for your "compréhension" !
Drmanu49 Jun 12, 2007:
Cane chair repairers or cane basket makers on thefront docks and on market days?
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 12, 2007:
Thanks Drmanu Dany Lartigue is JH Lartigue's son. There is a photo exhibition "Pointus, tartanes et bateaux de pêche..." at the MdesP but all contemporary photos. No cane chairs in sight!
Drmanu49 Jun 12, 2007:
Musees de St-Tropez, la Maison des Papillons, dans une venelle tropezienne, un collectionneur, Dany Lartigue, artiste peintre de metier.
www.saint-tropez.tv/html/papillons.html - 23k
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 12, 2007:
Hi everyone I now know these are photos by Lartigue so I've sent a message to the Donation Lartigue that manages the Lartigue photo collection. If anyone knows what or who these "canniers" are, then they should! Watch this space...
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 11, 2007:
Contacting the OT is a brilliant idea, thanks!
Graham macLachlan Jun 11, 2007:
if nothing be forthcoming, try "local craftsmen" you wouldn't be too far wrong!
Graham macLachlan Jun 11, 2007:
In the light of the new info I would go for a trade, especially as their are several streets called "de canniers" however I've found no reference relating top either of the trades suggested, you could try contacting the OT or the museum
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 11, 2007:
Hi Dominic I would love to but I doubt they would be forthcoming. Drmanu seems certain that cane-chair repairers hung around the harbour in Saint Tropez and I've been following up this line of enquiry... nothing so far but I'm still searching. I appreciate everyone's input and detective work!
Dominic D Jun 11, 2007:
Unless you've got some pre-war back copies I think you're right! Sorry Sandra I think you're going to have to try and get hold of some of those photos and study them with a magnifying glass and see who's guess is right!
Graham macLachlan Jun 11, 2007:
Ah, that's shot a hole in the yellow pages technique!
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 11, 2007:
Hi Dominic They're mostly photos from the Thirties.
Dominic D Jun 10, 2007:
Are the photos modern or old? This may give a hint as to the meaning of the word, because knowing how St Trop' has changed (no longer village-like and family orientated) the yellow pages might not reflect the past reality of the photos mentioned.
Graham macLachlan Jun 9, 2007:
indeed, however I think my phone book idea is a clincher: surely cane chair makers or walking stick makers would be in the phone book?
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 8, 2007:
Although i've often seen "ou" used in French where the English would use "and"...
Graham macLachlan Jun 8, 2007:
interesting "ou" rather than "et" suggests they're not all in the same place
Graham macLachlan Jun 8, 2007:
I suppose it's all down to whether the text is talking about the town, the gulf, the area or all three... for example, is the town "villageoise"?
Dominic D Jun 8, 2007:
Maybe a cannier repaired lobster pots and the like as well as seats and how about fishing rods or cannes in French !!
Drmanu49 Jun 8, 2007:
Scène villageoise doesn't fit with reed bed.
Drmanu49 Jun 8, 2007:
I think it is a description of the common place boat and dock scenes. IMO
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 8, 2007:
If chair-repairers did work in the harbour area, then this would make sense. From the sentence structure I feel these things are all happening around the port. I'll do a little search, maybe I can turn up some actual photos...
Graham macLachlan Jun 8, 2007:
The text doesn't actually say the "canniers" are in the port area; I understand the text to be talking about scenery, backdrops rather than the details
Drmanu49 Jun 8, 2007:
There are no reed beds in St Tropez harbor, but there sure were a lot of cane chaire repairers out on the frontal docks.

Proposed translations

16 mins
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Cane chair maker or repairer nothing to do with boats directly

Prop the chair seat up on a work bench or other table so you can chisel without having to bend over. If the spline that holds the cane in place appears to ...
www.furnitureknowledge.com/howtocane.htm - 10k

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Note added at 22 minutes (2007-06-08 14:01:15 GMT)
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La Tartane est un bateau à voile de type Méditerranéen servant à la pêche. Il est pourvu d'un grand-mât généralement à pible (fait d'une seule pièce), ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartane_(bateau) - 16k
Note from asker:
Thanks Drmanu. This also came up in my search (standard dictionary entry) but it doesn't seem to fit with the rest. Unless the men who repaired cane/wicker chairs also repaired things in the harbour?
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51 mins

canopy

Having seen "sous les canniers "on this link, I wondered if it was a local name for a tree (palm for example). I asked a native of the region who suggests it would be, not the tree itself, but a canopy made of "cannisses" or reed.
Reference:

Idéalement situé à Sainte-Maxime, dans le Golfe de Saint-Tropez, à proximité du ... Sous les Canniers Notre proprieté (6500qm²) se si

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1 hr

cane maker

Why not !! it's another definition for cannier
Reference:

http://www.vieuxmetiers.org/metier_old.htm

Peer comment(s):
neutral Graham macLachlan : this is indeed the only other definition of "cannier" that I found but I can't believe that they're in sufficient number to provide a backdrop!
16 hrs
It was more of a wild stab in the dark giving the lack of context!! The photos might be old ones and do not reflect the present situation.
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10 mins

reed bed

CANNIER2, subst. masc.
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CANNIER2, subst. masc.
Lieu planté de roseaux. La route était escortée de grands canniers de cannes vertes dont les feuilles faisaient oriflammes (GIONO, Bonheur fou, 1957, p. 149).
Prononc. : [kanje]. Étymol. et Hist. I. 1887 cannière (P. ARÈNE, Contes de Paris et de Provence, p. 199). II. 1947 cannier (GIONO, Chroniques, Noé, p. 243). Empr. au prov. I à caniero, subst. fém. (MISTRAL); II à canié subst. masc. (Ibid.), canier (1394, PANSIER t. 3); dér. du prov. cano « roseau ».

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Note added at 11 mins (2007-06-08 13:50:52 GMT)
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Habitat selection by booming bitterns Botaurus stellaris in French ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Mediterranean reed-beds. Brigitte Poulin, Gaëtan Lefebvre and Raphaël Mathevet. Abstract Data on habitat requirements of the threat- ...
journals.cambridge.org/production/action/cjoGetFulltext?fulltextid=323924


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Note added at 25 mins (2007-06-08 14:04:23 GMT)
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Le site officiel de la Maison du Tourisme du golfe de Saint Tropez
Le Golfe de Saint-Tropez en Provence Côte d'Azur Var. ... Sa vallée est couverte de vignes et de roseaux et, dans l'arrondissement, sa retenue d'eau, ...
www.st-tropez-lesmaures.com/fr/la-mole/presentation.html


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Note added at 26 mins (2007-06-08 14:05:09 GMT)
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Au coeur du golfe de Saint-tropez, le long des rivières et ruisseaux, on aperçoit des roseaux. C'est ici que se trouve Cogolin, petit village provençal, ...
pros.orange.fr/rigotti/lentrepise_.htm

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Note added at 17 hrs (2007-06-09 07:10:24 GMT)
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I've just had a look in the yellow pages for "meubles" and "cannes" in the Saint-Tropez area and found nothing relating to cane furniture or walking sticks, try it:
http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/ciweb2g-pagesjaunes/RecherchePages...
Note from asker:
Thanks Mactrad - this is what I found although it seems out of place directly after Saint Tropez, the harbour and the tartanes. I still have a doubt...
I'm not contesting that there *are* reed beds around here, I'm just not sure that's what is meant here. Like Drmanu, I think it's about harbour scenes.
Peer comment(s):
agree Jennifer Levey : Yes - and it fits nicely as an alternative to sailing boats as the backdrop to the scenes of village life.
1 min
thanks, it certainly does!
agree Dominic D : http://www.festivaldelanche.com/archives/edition-2006.html
4 mins
nice link, thanks
neutral Drmanu49 : OK for the valleys and streams with cane but if you know St Tropez, there is no way that can be seen from the harbor.
21 mins
I never said it could, the text doesn't either
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