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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Arbeiten unter Niederspannung

English translation:

live low voltage working

Added to glossary by Johannes Gleim
Jun 30, 2010 15:44
14 yrs ago
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German term

Arbeiten unter Niederspannung

German to English Tech/Engineering Electronics / Elect Eng Electricity
Can someone please help me with this term?

I know a translation for Arbeiten unter Spannung -> live-line working, but I can't find anything that will do justice to the word Niederspannung (low voltage)
The context is about the installation of clamping rings in cable branch lines and has to do with the installation of this product.

Thanks for your suggestions
Proposed translations (English)
5 +2 live low voltage working
4 Low Voltage permit/certificate
4 work / operate at low voltage
Change log

Jul 2, 2010 14:42: Johannes Gleim Created KOG entry

Discussion

Johannes Gleim Jul 4, 2010:
native speakers in UK, US, Australia, etc. have always different expressions. If you like to have the common term used in a certain country, you should indicate the target country.
Nevertherless, the International Electrical Commission is aware about these differences and do harmonize it. After harmonization the issue the standardized term. It this was "live working"
Schnappy (X) (asker) Jul 1, 2010:
@meirs please refrain from such comments - they aren't helpful
meirs Jun 30, 2010:
MODULE TST - BT INDUSTRIE ET TERTIAIRE Please see below - the French regulatory framework for "live" work (travaux sous tension). What is the point of an exact translation to English here (have French electricians started to read English technical literature lately?)///



Cette action constitue la formation aux travaux sous tension sur les installations ou équipements du secteur industriel ou tertiaire dans les conditions prévues par l’UTE C 18 510 et les CET BT.

Population concernée :
Personne ayant suivi le module de base TST de moins de 4 mois
Personne déjà habilitée à minima B1T dans un autre domaine.


http://www.isfme.fr/fr/catalogue/formations-entreprises/trav...
Johannes Gleim Jun 30, 2010:
The complete Link for CET BT http://www.promotelec.com/wdbox/ASPGlobal/ZPE_lb.asp?Args=DA...$TABLE:ListeArticles$DOSSIER:Promotelec$HTMR:librairie2/centrezoom$WHERE:(ChronoA=1439)$orderby:NumST,PonderationA
Note: BT = Basse Tension.
(Only for information, this standard stipulates the conditions for low live voltage working)
To invoke the link, please copy all from http:// to PonderationA into the address line.
meirs Jun 30, 2010:
I found CET BT CET - conditions d'exécution du travail, see link:
http://www.promotelec.com/wdBox/ASPGlobal/ZPE_lb.asp?Args=DA...$TABLE:ListeArticles$DOSSIER:Promotelec$HTMR:librairie2/resultatcentre$RUPTURE:LibRuptT$ORDERBY:NumST,ChronoSousThemeA,PonderationA$TRANCHE:46-5
Schnappy (X) (asker) Jun 30, 2010:
That question is irrelevant - I don't have to translate the abbreviations. Please concentrate on the term I asked about
meirs Jun 30, 2010:
I smell French stuff = BT (Brevet de Technicien) Can it be that "CET BT" points to an original French text (translated to German) ?
Schnappy (X) (asker) Jun 30, 2010:
Here is the source sentence:
oder bei anliegender Niederspannung nach einem Verfahren für unterirdische Arbeiten. In diesem Fall werden bei der Montage die vom Ausschuss für Arbeiten unter Spannung (gültige CET - BT) zugelassenen Ausführungsbedingungen für Arbeiten bei Niederspannung erfüllt:

And this is my translation so far:
or when low voltage is applied according to a procedure for subterranean work. In this case the performance conditions for working when low voltage is applied approved by the committee for live-line working (applicable CET - BT) are met during installation:

The sentence style of the original text is not what I call elegant.

Thanks for your help
Michael Harris Jun 30, 2010:
You wouldnt happen to have the sentence in German for us, it may be easier to know what you are looking for

Proposed translations

+2
2 hrs
Selected

live low voltage working

EN low voltage (1)
low tension (1)
LV (1), abbreviation
voltage having a value below a conventionally adopted limit
NOTE – For the distribution of AC electric power, the upper limit is generally accepted to be 1 000 V.

DE Niederspannung
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

EN live working
live work
activity in which a worker makes contact with energized live parts or penetrates inside the live working zone with either parts of his or her body or with tools, equipment or devices being handled
NOTE 1 – Examples of live working include maintenance, connection and disconnection operations.

NOTE 2 – The live working is performed using specific methods:
- hot stick working,
- insulating glove working,
- bare hand working.

DE Arbeiten unter Spannung
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

IEC 60900 ed2.0
Title Live working - Hand tools for use up to 1000 V a.c. and 1500 V d.c.
http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/artnum/031583

Live working - Voltage detectors - Part 3: Two-pole low-voltage type
IEC 61243-3:2009 is applicable to hand-held two-pole voltage detectors with its accessories (crocodile clips and detachable leads) to be used in contact with parts of electrical systems:
- for a.c. voltages not exceeding 1 000 V at nominal frequencies between 16 2/3 Hz and up to 500 Hz, and/or
- for d.c. voltages not exceeding 1 500 V.
Voltage detectors covered by this standard are intended to be used under dry and humid conditions, both indoor and outdoor. They are not intended to be used under rain conditions. Voltage detectors covered by this standard are not intended to be used for continuous operation.
http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/artnum/043533

Portable detector device for detecting partial electrical discharge in live voltage distribution cables and/or equipment
Tragbarer Detektor zur Feststellung von Teilentladungen in unter Spannung stehenden Verteilkabeln und/oder Ausrüstungen
:
The InterSelect G100 generator is used for live low voltage cables.
Bei in Betrieb befindlichen Niederspannungskabeln wird der InterSelect Auslesegenerator G100 eingesetzt.
http://www.linguee.com/translation/german/live voltage.html

This design makes it possible to install the 3-LICET on Low Voltage Systems while working live and without interruption to the consumer. When installed in a live situation ensure that your company procedures for Live Low Voltage Working are followed.
http://www.hor-i-zon.com/utilities/pdf/20061204075543_F2 Max...

c. The installation shall be such as to permit future live low voltage working on the asset by the Host DLH.
http://www.unitedutilities.com/Documents/ENA_G81_Part_6.pdf

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Note added at 3 days22 hrs (2010-07-04 13:51:03 GMT) Post-grading
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EN live working
a generic term indicating the various working methods used to carry out maintenance, including connection and disconnection operations on electrical installations while in service
FR travail sous tension
terme générique qui désigne les différentes méthodes de travail permettant d'assurer la maintenance ainsi que certaines opérations de connexion ou de déconnexion sur des installations en service
DE Arbeiten an unter Spannung stehenden Teilen
ES trabajo en tensión
IT lavoro sotto tensione
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
Note from asker:
@ Kim Metzger how would a native speaker express it - I am one but I have to asmit I'm stymied - I'd appreciate a more suitable expression if you know one better
Peer comment(s):
agree Michael Harris : or working with live low voltage?
2 hrs
That's similar, but "working under live" implies also near to live parts.
agree hazmatgerman (X) : And with CL5 for once.
1 day 14 hrs
Thank you!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for your help"
6 mins

Low Voltage permit/certificate

Most if not all countries classify electrician work permits to Low Voltage = LV (up to 1000V), Medium Voltage =MV (up to 20,000V) and so on. Voltage levels vary - but 50 to 1000V is the internationally recognized standard for LV (under 50 V is Very Low or extremely low boltage - no permit is necessary)

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Note added at 28 mins (2010-06-30 16:12:56 GMT)
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kill "permit/certificate" - it was just to explain what Low Voltage is. I guess this is about Work at (under) Live Low Voltage
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : I don't see where you get "permit/certificate" from - the German doesn't say this.
15 mins
agree jccantrell : Yeah, California limits low voltage to 91 volts, see: http://www.neca-neis.org/state/specialty_licensing.cfm and I might phrase it as "working with {or at} low voltage"
59 mins
neutral Michael Harris : you only have half of the term here and you are a off-course
1 hr
disagree Johannes Gleim : With Michael: Low Voltage (Niederspannung) is only half of the wanted term and therefore insufficient. What about working?
4 hrs
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1 hr

work / operate at low voltage

I think that you are correct with low voltage but without the sentence in question it is difficult to know for sure
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