Feb 2, 2010 18:43
14 yrs ago
German term
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Native in: German (Variant: Swiss) 
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verbotsbegründenden Erfolg
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Working on a case involving the ban (prohibition) of an association in Germany. The legal terminology in the presentation by one party is quite complex. I know exactly what is meant, but am looking for a more concise, effective (and legally correct) way to express this.
"Es reicht mithin jedes Verhalten (Tatigkeit), weiches objektiv geeignet ist, den verbotsbegrundenden Erfolg herbeizufiihren. Es reicht ferner jegliches Verhalten, das den verbotsbegrundenden Erfolg nach sich zieht, ohne dass es auf cine Kausalität ankommt. "
Look forward to learning a lot here.
"Es reicht mithin jedes Verhalten (Tatigkeit), weiches objektiv geeignet ist, den verbotsbegrundenden Erfolg herbeizufiihren. Es reicht ferner jegliches Verhalten, das den verbotsbegrundenden Erfolg nach sich zieht, ohne dass es auf cine Kausalität ankommt. "
Look forward to learning a lot here.
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14 hrs
Derek Gill Franßen
Germany
Germany
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Specializes in field
Germany
German Attorney & University Lecturer
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, English, English to German, and 1 more.
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728
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the result establishing the proscription
..., i.e., any act that is objectively suited to bring about the result establishing (or "leading to") the proscription (or "prohibition").
I read it to mean that the result is not proscribed, but rather establishes the proscription.
I read it to mean that the result is not proscribed, but rather establishes the proscription.
Note from asker:
| thank you to Albert an Sivara. I'm gratified that I'm not the only one chewing on this |
| Thank you for your efforts in helping with this. I will probably replace "proscription" with "prohibition". |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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35 mins
Ellen Kraus
Austria
Austria
Native in German
Specializes in field
Austria
more than thirty years of experience
Native in: German 
Works in: Greek to German, English to German, Greek to English, and 5 more.
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308
apt to bring about the prohibition success (or the success emanating from ..)
Prohibition was a success. Allegations to the contrary are a myth. Distillers invented the myth decades ago.
medicolegal.tripod.com/prohibitionsuccess.htm
medicolegal.tripod.com/prohibitionsuccess.htm
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14 hrs
Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
Germany
Germany
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&
English
Specializes in field
Germany
Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
Sworn (Munich), UK+German law degrees
Native in: English , German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to English, and 1 more.
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57
prohibited result
I have never come across a criminal 'success' in a Britis criminal law textbook, it's 'result'.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Derek Gill Franßen
: Wouldn't that be "vorbotenen Erfolg"?
47 mins
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yes you're right. bring about the result which establishes / TRIGGERS the prohibition, proscription
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| disagree |
Monika Elisabeth Sieger
: with Derek! There is a huge difference!
2 hrs
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46 mins
Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Canada
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Specializes in field
Canada
Friendly, fast & certified!
Native in: German (Variants: Swiss, Platt / Nieder (Low German), Austrian, Germany)
Works in: English to German, German to English, German
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721
situation covered by the prohibition.
"Erfolg", IMO here describes the result/effect/consequence of certain actions
"verbotsbegründend" = das Verbot begründend=das Verbot darstellend [not: *causing* the prohibition]
As a result, this would apply for any conduct (activity) objectively suited to create a situation covered by the prohibition.
[or:…that objectively lends itself to…]
It also applies to any conduct (activity) that indirectly causes a situation covered by the prohibition.
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Note added at 22 hrs (2010-02-03 17:21:32 GMT)
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I understand it like this (simplified)
1. Certain activities ( here: in associations) are not allowed, i.e. prohibited. 2. Definite rules have been created to cover such situations.
3. Not only the situations covered by the rules, but also all activities/conduct that could lead to to (including indirectly) a situation described in the rules as prohibited falls under the category "prohibited" .
Example (just for fun)
1. It is prohibited to attend a meeting while drunk.
2. As a result, it is also not allowed to bring bottles of beer to the meeting or arrange for others to bring beer.
"verbotsbegründend" = das Verbot begründend=das Verbot darstellend [not: *causing* the prohibition]
As a result, this would apply for any conduct (activity) objectively suited to create a situation covered by the prohibition.
[or:…that objectively lends itself to…]
It also applies to any conduct (activity) that indirectly causes a situation covered by the prohibition.
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Note added at 22 hrs (2010-02-03 17:21:32 GMT)
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I understand it like this (simplified)
1. Certain activities ( here: in associations) are not allowed, i.e. prohibited. 2. Definite rules have been created to cover such situations.
3. Not only the situations covered by the rules, but also all activities/conduct that could lead to to (including indirectly) a situation described in the rules as prohibited falls under the category "prohibited" .
Example (just for fun)
1. It is prohibited to attend a meeting while drunk.
2. As a result, it is also not allowed to bring bottles of beer to the meeting or arrange for others to bring beer.
Note from asker:
| thanks, Ellen. |
| Sorry, I'm a bit tired. Of course I mean Johanna. Thank you for the good explanation. Amazing how you need so many words for one German term |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
: not accurate though
13 hrs
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see my clarification attempt above.
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