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المحدثين

English translation: late/modern scholars

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Arabic term or phrase:المحدثين
English translation:late/modern scholars
Entered by: Zeinab Asfour

09:04 Jan 16, 2007
Arabic to English translations [PRO]
Religion / Islamic terminology
Arabic term or phrase: المحدثين
....وقد ظهر الانتساب إلى السلف الصالح لأول مرة لدى المحدثين فعُرف أشخاص مثل

Many thanks to you all :D
Zeinab Asfour
Jordan
Local time: 10:52
late/modern scholars
Explanation:
Referring to scholars from a later era.

Other options:
- scholars of later period

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-16 10:18:04 GMT)
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- scholars that came afterwards
etc.

It has nothing to do with Hadith.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2007-01-16 16:44:48 GMT)
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Although 'neo-scholars' may sound tempting, it cannot be used here for generalization and non-conventionality problems.

I highly recommend 'modern scholars' as it already covers the notion of 'innovation'.

المُحْدَثُ : مفعـ.-: ما لم يَكنْ معروفاً في كتاب ولا سُنَّةٍ ولا إجْمَاع؛كُلّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعةٌ وكل بِدْعَةٍ ضَلالَة .-: الجديدالأنبياء آية 2 مَا يأتِيهِمْ مِنْ ذِكْرٍ مِنْ رَبِّهِمْ مُحْدَثٍ إِلا اسْتَمعُوهُ وهُمْ يلْعَبُونَ أي مُحدَثٌ تنزِيلُه أي جديد في تنزيله/ القُدَماءُ والمُحْدَثُون أي غيرُ المجدِّدين والمجِّددون في الأدب أو الفنّ وغيرهما.

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Ala Rabie
Egypt
Local time: 10:52
Grading comment
Thanks you very much :)
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Summary of answers provided
5 +4late/modern scholars
Ala Rabie
4 +2narrators of hadiths
Alexander Yeltsov
5LATER SCHOLARS
Ali Al awadi
5 -1Scholars of Hadith
duraid


Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
narrators of hadiths


Explanation:
Muslimedia.com - An interesting one is the asma’ al-rijal, or the study of the lives of the narrators of hadiths. Here, scholars of hadith dig deep into the biographies of ...



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Note added at 46 mins (2007-01-16 09:50:39 GMT)
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Silsilah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - All Hafiz (memorizers of Quran), Muhaddiths (narrators of Hadiths), Qaries (reciters of Quran with correct accent and pronunciation) are given a chain of ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silsilah - 17k




    www.muslimedia.com/archives/book01/hadithsunbk.htm - 20k -
Alexander Yeltsov
Local time: 10:52
Native speaker of: Russian
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks you very much :)

Asker:

Asker: Ops..I meant: Thank you very much :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AhmedAMS: http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/book01/hadithsunbk.htm
22 mins
  -> Thank you, Ahmed!
agree  Nesrin: (sorry previous link wasn't working - I'll try again) http://www.islamicperspectives.com/HadithProjectIntro.htm
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Nesrin!
disagree  duraid: Enshrine convinced me that his argument is right and that my answer and yours are wrong.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Duraid!
agree  Iman Khaireddine
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Imane!
agree  Dikran
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Dikran!
disagree  Ala Rabie: i'm afraid it's irrelevant here, alexander; based on the context, the term in hand is 'محدَثين' as in 'حديث' [='modern'], and not 'رواة الحديث'. the contrast between 'سلف' and 'محدث' entails the same thing.
5 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Scholars of Hadith


Explanation:

I thought that the talk is about the narrators of Hadith but the comment of enshrine made my change my mind.

The actual meaning should be Scholars of Hadith and the following links support my claim:

http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Scholar&iw_a=series&series_id=...

Notice the names mentioned are البخاري، مسلم، النسائي and many more. Those are scholars of Hadith not narrators.

Other Link
http://www.saaid.net/Doat/Zugail/280.htm


duraid
Australia
Local time: 17:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you very much :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Ala Rabie: duraid, it has nothing to do with Hadith. it is a simple 'سلف/قدماء' against 'محدثون/مجددون/جدد' binary. [apologies for typos]
11 mins
  -> I think you are right. I failed to notice that the Fatha is above the Dal. Thanks
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
late/modern scholars


Explanation:
Referring to scholars from a later era.

Other options:
- scholars of later period

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-16 10:18:04 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

- scholars that came afterwards
etc.

It has nothing to do with Hadith.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 7 hrs (2007-01-16 16:44:48 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Although 'neo-scholars' may sound tempting, it cannot be used here for generalization and non-conventionality problems.

I highly recommend 'modern scholars' as it already covers the notion of 'innovation'.

المُحْدَثُ : مفعـ.-: ما لم يَكنْ معروفاً في كتاب ولا سُنَّةٍ ولا إجْمَاع؛كُلّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعةٌ وكل بِدْعَةٍ ضَلالَة .-: الجديدالأنبياء آية 2 مَا يأتِيهِمْ مِنْ ذِكْرٍ مِنْ رَبِّهِمْ مُحْدَثٍ إِلا اسْتَمعُوهُ وهُمْ يلْعَبُونَ أي مُحدَثٌ تنزِيلُه أي جديد في تنزيله/ القُدَماءُ والمُحْدَثُون أي غيرُ المجدِّدين والمجِّددون في الأدب أو الفنّ وغيرهما.

http://lexicons.sakhr.com/openme.asp?fileurl=/html/1086071.h...

Ala Rabie
Egypt
Local time: 10:52
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 28
Grading comment
Thanks you very much :)
Notes to answerer
Asker: Ops..I meant: Thank you very much :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Fayez Roumieh: الآن بعدما اتضح الشكل، فأنا موافق مع الأخ إنشراين، أليس كذلك؟
2 hrs
  -> i believe it is clear now, fayez :)
agree  duraid: Correct
6 hrs
  -> please refer to the addendum to my answer :)
agree  Sami Khamou
9 hrs
agree  Randa Farhat
13 hrs
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1 day 2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
LATER SCHOLARS


Explanation:
the later scholars of Hadeeth, like At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasaa'ee
Neither late nor modern

according to so many links and sources..



    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaba
    Reference: http://www.startsurfing.com/encyclopedia/i/s/l/Islam.html
Ali Al awadi
Türkiye
Native speaker of: Arabic
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you very much :)

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