salumi croccanti

English translation: crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits

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Italian term or phrase:	salumi croccanti (in context)
English translation:	crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits
Entered by:	Melissa Stanfield

13:48 Jan 22, 2007

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Cooking / Culinary / Menu

Italian term or phrase: salumi croccanti

Another dish on the menu: "la zuppa d’ orzo con **salumi croccanti**". I can imagine what the "salumi croccanti" might taste like, but not how to translate the "salumi" in menuese. Any ideas?

Sarah Gregg KudoZ activity Questions: 562 (none open) (46 closed without grading) Answers: 2 Italy
Local time: 00:19

crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits

Explanation:
I know it doesn't sound quite as beautiful, but this is what it evokes to me - something I can imagine being put in a soup.

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Note added at 30 mins (2007-01-22 14:18:35 GMT)
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Here is a recipe for Barley soup, in which the bacon or pancetta is fried first - http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/soup/sou0188.htm

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Note added at 51 mins (2007-01-22 14:40:03 GMT)
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Here is another recipe which looks similar to me - in which tha pancetta is fried - Perhaps you could even say crispy pancetta http://www.buonissimo.org/ricette/469_ms27_zuppa.asp

(My choice of bacon & pancetta here is really a supposition of sorts - I am trying to err on the side of a natural sounding menu item. It is a very interesting question in my opinion, one that is often raised when I speak with chef friends re: the "what is salumi" or "how do you say bacon" question.)

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Note added at 55 mins (2007-01-22 14:43:16 GMT)
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Zuppa di orzo perlato
"..tagliate allo stesso modo anche la pancetta e fatela rosolare in una casseruola con il burro, a calore moderato, per 5 minuti."

http://www.cucinare.meglio.it/ricetta-zuppa_di_orzo_perlato....

"Add barley and beef(bacon), saute' briefly."
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/soup/barley-soup.html

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Note added at 58 mins (2007-01-22 14:46:21 GMT)
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"LENTIL AND BARLEY SOUP WITH PANCETTA
...The pancetta, an Italian cured bacon, adds an extra layer of flavor that I love, and a little goes a long way. If you can’t find it, just substitute a good-quality bacon or ham. The flavor will be slightly different, since pancetta is not smoked. Alternately, if you prefer a vegetarian soup, omit the bacon...Sauté until pancetta is lightly browned and vegetables are slightly tender..."
http://teriskitchen.com/soups/lentil-b.html

Selected response from:

Melissa Stanfield
Australia
Local time: 08:19

Grading comment

Unfortunately I can't contact the client and my instructions were to interpret as best I can! I agree that its probably "pancetta" in this case, so will risk it and go for crunchy bacon pieces which sounds pretty appetising to me! Thanks to you all.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +4

crispy deli meats

Christina Townsend

3 +3

crunchy cold cuts

Mara Ballarini

3 +3

crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits

Melissa Stanfield

Discussion entries: 1

Answers

4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

crunchy cold cuts

Explanation:
salumi in 'menuese' is usually found as cold cuts..

Mara Ballarini
Australia
Local time: 08:19
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Anthony Green: but what makes them crunchy??

2 mins

-> thin pieces of cold cuts are usually sort of fried in a pan - it makes them crunchy/crispy and enhance their flavour too! quite nice in some dishes!! thanks Anthony!

agree

Rosanna Palermo: or "crispy" but definetly cold cuts Ciao Mara!

2 mins

-> Yes!! thanks rfmoon! and ciao!

agree

Fabiola Mancinelli

17 mins

-> grazie Fabiola!

neutral

Fiona Grace Peterson: Cold cuts is salumi, sure, but I don't think the term makes much sense in this context - they suggest that the meat is cold and hasn't been cooked in any way, whereas here they're crunchy. I agree with Melissa that they're more like crispy bacon pieces.

22 mins

-> but salumi croccanti could be any cold cuts, not necessarly bacon - even prosciutto crudo is made crunchy, and yes, it'll be cooked to be made crunchy, but it's still originally a cold cut - then cooked (ie fried) for a specific dish

neutral

James (Jim) Davis: crunchy ham and salami? You have to fry it to make it crunchy, and then its not a "cold cut" any more. A chicken was a originally an egg ;-). The logic is one thing, but crunchy cold cut bacon, to an Englishman who loves his bacon has no appeal.

1 hr

-> hi james! U & Fiona've got me thinking...but after u fry an egg for ex, you still call it a fried EGG (& an egg doesn't become a chicken by cooking it-although I see where u wanna get 2) & in IT prosc crudo,after being 'fried' is still called p.CRUDO..:-)

42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

crispy deli meats

Explanation:
crispy deli meats- just another suggestion! IMHO deli meats sounds more appetising than cold cuts.
Chris

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Note added at 47 mins (2007-01-22 14:36:14 GMT)
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If your customer confirms that these are indeed fried (as opposed to grilled etc) you could go for something like "pan-fried deli meats" to convey the fact that the deli meats are crispy and cooked. So "barley soup with pan-fried deli meats" etc.

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Note added at 56 mins (2007-01-22 14:45:04 GMT)
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better still if the customer confirms they are talking about small pieces of deli meats that are fried and added to the soup, I'd go for "barley soup with cubes of pan-fried deli meats" or "..diced and pan-fried deli meats", something along those lines that gets the idea across clearly (space permitting, of course). I regularly translate a menu for a restaurant which prefers the translation to be as clear as poss, even if longer-winded than the original description. Perhaps so the waiters won't risk getting ensnared in trying to describe the dishes to foreign diners :-)

Christina Townsend
Local time: 00:19
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

21 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits

Melissa Stanfield
Australia
Local time: 08:19
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Amalia Bit: I would be inclined to use 'crispy bacon' or something similar, specially if its for an English audience. Cold cuts sounds too much like a display counter in a deli....

4 mins

-> Thanks Amalia ;)

agree

Fiona Grace Peterson: Definitely!

5 mins

-> Thanks Fiona ;)

neutral

Cecilia Di Vita: yes but "salumi" has a wider meaning than simply "bacon"

8 mins

-> Yes, I know - I just think this is the particular type of cured/preserved meat that one would find most commonly, and 'crispy', in a soup. Hard to know for sure without the actual dish before us - thanks Cecilia :)

neutral

Rosanna Palermo: if the specific ingredient is not mentioned and we translate it specifically then it turns out to be something else how will the customer feel?

12 mins

-> i agree with you. At the other extreme I think "crunchy cold cuts" does not sound like natural English, so client clarification might be needed here.

agree

Claire Titchmarsh (X): if it's soup, no way do you want to find whole slices of ham in there.

2 hrs

-> No! Thanks Claire :)

neutral

Giuseppina Gatta, MA (Hons): Well, in a recipe you never know.. I would not dare to use bacon for salumi

12 hrs

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