Glossary entry

Portuguese term or phrase:

mesteirais

English translation:

skilled servants [mesteirais]

Added to glossary by Lucy Phillips
Apr 19, 2004 07:44
20 yrs ago
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Portuguese term

mesteirais

Portuguese to English Art/Literary History
"... os laboratores, a gente laboriosa da antiga classificação medieval, os camponeses e os trabalhadores urbanos, os artesãos, os mesteirais".

Is this term usually left in Portuguese (I have seen it left this way in historical works/articles dealing with the medieval period in Portugal)? Or is there an equivalent term in English?

Thanks.

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Apr 19, 2004:
to Muriel you are right, I am looking for the term in this specific context: the term is later repeated in relation to the crisis/uprising of 1383.

Also, I am not sure what exactly the difference is between an artisan and a craftsman!

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skilled servants [mesteirais]

I think "skilled servants" is the closest you can get. They would not be as skilled as artisans or craftsmen, and of course your list already includes "artesãos."
I do agree that it's important to leave the Portuguese, but without a translation, footnote, or other explanation the reader is lost. So I would add the Portuguese in parentheses The following explanation shows that the meaning of the word has changed since medieval times, and certainly you are looking for the medieval meaning.

Here is the quote I found:
Mester (do latim ministeriu, "ofício de servo"). Ministério significava, no século XIII, o ofício do servo e aquele que prestava um serviço era o mesteiral ou ministro... O mesteiral tinha a sua arte (mester). Hoje, o mestre tem a sua arte mas o ministro tem muitas "artes"...



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From WordNet:
I avoided \"craftsman\" because you already had \"artesãos.\" In English, \"craftsman\" and \"artisan\" appear to be virtually synonymous. Here are the definitions from WordNet:
craftsman:
[n] a skilled worker who practices some trade or handicraft
[n] a creator of great skill in the manual arts; \"the jewelry was made by internationally famous craftsmen\"
[n] a professional whose work is consistently of high quality; \"as an actor he was a consummate craftsman\"
vs.
artisan:
[n] a skilled worker who practices some trade or handicraft

The original meaning of \"minister\" is \"servant,\" as in the following #1 definition from Webster 1913:
1. A servant; a subordinate; an officer or assistant of
inferior rank; hence, an agent, an instrument.
Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua. --Ex. xxiv.

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agree António Ribeiro : a explicação tem lógica.
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agree Sormane Gomes
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Once again a very thoughtful answer - muito obrigada Muriel!"
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craftsmen

Mesteiral - Diz-se de, ou homem de mester, de profissão manual. (Aurélio XXI)

Dicionário Inglês-Português (Porto Editora)
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agree Henrique Magalhaes
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agree Susanne Rindlisbacher
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agree Salvador Scofano and Gry Midttun
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agree Henrique Serra
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agree Maria Luisa Duarte
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agree rhandler
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agree nothing
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agree Vera Rocha
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neutral Muriel Vasconcellos : This is the modern meaning; Lucy is looking for what it meant in the medieval period. Did you see the explanation I quoted from the Internet?
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