Feb 12, 2009 12:13
15 yrs ago
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Spanish term
punto de cuenta
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Venezuela, government docs.
(This has been asked before.)
I'm translating a series of Venezuelan government documents (some from around 1990 others around 2000). The term "punto de cuenta" keeps coming up, particularly as a "punto de cuenta al presidente" who may not be the president of the republic but simply the head of the agency.
I'm tempted to make it simply "memorandum" but memorandum also exists, and the "punto" and "cuenta" seem to be two different things, e.g., "punto no. x" and "cuenta no. y." The punto is a single point in the longer cuenta.
I'd appreciate help from someone who understands these documents from within Venezuela and has worked out a practical solution.
I'm translating a series of Venezuelan government documents (some from around 1990 others around 2000). The term "punto de cuenta" keeps coming up, particularly as a "punto de cuenta al presidente" who may not be the president of the republic but simply the head of the agency.
I'm tempted to make it simply "memorandum" but memorandum also exists, and the "punto" and "cuenta" seem to be two different things, e.g., "punto no. x" and "cuenta no. y." The punto is a single point in the longer cuenta.
I'd appreciate help from someone who understands these documents from within Venezuela and has worked out a practical solution.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | directive |
Peter van der Hoek
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| 5 | memorandum requesting approval for |
Matilde De la Victoria
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| 3 | case in point |
Steven Huddleston
|
| 1 | point of order |
neilmac
|
Proposed translations
+1
35 mins
Peter van der Hoek
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Specializes in field
Spain
High quality and a heart for deadlines.
Native in: English 
, Dutch
Works in: Dutch to English, Flemish to English
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3
Selected
directive
Order and Memorandum are other possibilities.
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I've chosen this one, because you are in Ven. However, in the translation I ended up staying with "memorandum" because that's what the documements were. They were informing, not ordering someone to do something. And the problem of a difference between the "punto" and "cuenta" remains.
(I spent six weeks in Ven. in 1993 and have fond memories. The country's deeper problems antedate Chavez and will probably exist after him.)"
12 mins
point of order
Just a guess, which might work :)
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Note added at 13 mins (2009-02-12 12:27:01 GMT)
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A point of order may be raised if the rules appear to have been broken. This may interrupt a speaker during debate, or anything else if the breach of the rules warrants it. The point is resolved before business continues. Could also apply here.
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Note added at 14 mins (2009-02-12 12:28:06 GMT)
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A request that the presiding officer rule on a matter of procedure.
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Note added at 13 mins (2009-02-12 12:27:01 GMT)
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A point of order may be raised if the rules appear to have been broken. This may interrupt a speaker during debate, or anything else if the breach of the rules warrants it. The point is resolved before business continues. Could also apply here.
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Note added at 14 mins (2009-02-12 12:28:06 GMT)
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A request that the presiding officer rule on a matter of procedure.
4 hrs
Steven Huddleston
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
Mexico
Dual-Native English & Spanish Translator
Native in: English (Variants: US, Canadian, British, UK) , Spanish (Variants: Venezuelan, Costa Rican, Mexican, Standard-Spain, US, Ecuadorian , Dominican, Latin American, Peruvian, Colombian, Uruguayan, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Argentine, Chilean)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
Related KudoZ points
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82
case in point
...could it be this?
1456 days
memorandum requesting approval for
In the case of Venezuela, I feel it should be "memorandum requesting approval for" It is a document widely and very frequently used by officials to get approval for an action, which may include requests for funds. These "puntos de cuenta" are usually presented to the president for his approval.
See:
manual de correspondencia y documentación militar del ministerio
www.ejercito.mil.ve/.../MANUAL_DE_DOCUME...
Es la comunicación escrita usada para presentar ante un Comando Superior uno o más problemas cuya exposición requiera un planteamiento y análisis de corta o regular amplitud y presenta recomendaciones que facilitan la decisión inmediata del Comandante o Jefe.
Se podrá presentar más de un problema en cada forma, pero deberán ser agrupados en las áreas específicas de Estado Mayor a que se refiere.
See:
manual de correspondencia y documentación militar del ministerio
www.ejercito.mil.ve/.../MANUAL_DE_DOCUME...
Es la comunicación escrita usada para presentar ante un Comando Superior uno o más problemas cuya exposición requiera un planteamiento y análisis de corta o regular amplitud y presenta recomendaciones que facilitan la decisión inmediata del Comandante o Jefe.
Se podrá presentar más de un problema en cada forma, pero deberán ser agrupados en las áreas específicas de Estado Mayor a que se refiere.
Example sentence:
Chávez firma punto de cuenta para mejorar funciones de Pdvsa
See: http://www.elmundo.com.ve/Noticias/Petroleo/Pdvsa/Chavez-firma-punto-de-cuenta-para-mejorar-funcione.aspx
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