forêt soumise au régime forestier

08:25 Sep 13, 2010 

Thank you, everyone, for your input. The references you gave, Liz, were great, and I appreciate SJLD's effort, too. Unfortunately, no system for giving out stars to references. The upshot in this case is "forest governed by/subject to regional forest management policy".

19:34 Sep 11, 2010 

I can't get into the question to edit it, so will add this as a discussion entry: The Regional forest regulations/management policy applies to all publicly-owned forests and woods with some exceptions (see below): http://www.lutgen.wallonie.be/doc/codeforestier.pdf
CHAPITRE IER. - Champ d’application du régime forestier
Art. 52. Le régime forestier s’applique aux bois et forêts des personnes morales de droit public à savoir :
1° les bois et forêts de la Région wallonne ;
2° les bois et forêts des autres personnes morales de droit public belge ;
3° les bois et forêts dans lesquels les personnes morales de droit public belge ont des droits indivis entre elles ou avec des particuliers.
Le régime forestier ne s’applique pas aux bois et forêts des dépendances de la voie publique.
Toutes les dispositions du présent titre, relatives aux forêts domaniales, sont applicables aux bois et forêts dans lesquels la Région wallonne a la qualité de propriétaire indivis soit avec d’autres personnes morales de droit public, soit avec des particuliers.

10:22 Sep 11, 2010 

Just to draw out the discussion, I see that "traitement" in forestry = system (not treatment!) and "traitement sylvicole" corresponds to "silviculural regime". So, I'd be careful about translating "régime" as "regime" and vice versa. Thanks to everyone for all your input! Gabrielle

06:55 Sep 9, 2010 

It was a document about the EU certification programme for forestry contractors. http://www.eduforest.eu/doc/concert_resume_fr.pdf (this is not the doc I translated) First I do not agree that "compétence" should be translated by "competence" but "competency". And throughout the EU documentation - and there's even an association - "entrepreneurs" is not contractors but entrepreneurs, which I don't think sounds very natural in English. Oh well!

22:25 Sep 8, 2010 

there are Forestry Commission managed forests as opposed to privately managed woodland - dont know if this helps at all

21:55 Sep 8, 2010 

Not sure I get your points at all Bourth.

21:18 Sep 8, 2010 

My forestry dictionary (Dictionnaire de la Foresterie, compiled by the Ordre des inténieurs forestiers du Québec) gives "forest management policy" for "régime forestier". Termium gives regulations, forest(ry) tenure, etc. Shall continue rooting around (ha, ha!).

20:49 Sep 8, 2010 

If it doesn't evolve with Eurospeak, it will be replaced by it, as Latin was replaced by the various Romance languages. English also evolves of its own accord, with words like "modality" coming (back) into favour, particularly, I noticed, in relation to the "modalities for IRA disarmament". I don't think the French or Brussels were to blame.

20:48 Sep 8, 2010 

Hello SJLD, well at least I can understand your reference and the English translation..."forest régime" just sounds odd to me, even if I did find a UK academic reference!! and even then I was sending it in rather "tongue-in-cheek", but, hey, the asker will choose the most suitable answer:)

20:24 Sep 8, 2010 

I came up against this problem a few weeks ago - can't remember what the term was now, but I felt the correct English term has not been used.
Here is a bilingual FR-EN doc with "regulations".
http://ressources.ciheam.org/om/pdf/a25/CI000462.pdf

20:12 Sep 8, 2010 

Gabrielle, I think regime is OK now. I often see the phrase "the applicable tax regime" in European legal documents. It's used in English now for "a set of laws." Liz gave a good example of Forest Regime being used by UK academics.

19:59 Sep 8, 2010 

To Liz - yes, it is definitely "subject to..." (national forestry regulations or what have you).
To Mark: Yes, "soumise" is short for "soumise au régime forestier"
I have a feeling, however, that "the forest regime" is just a back translation of the French by someone who fell into the false friends trap.

19:37 Sep 8, 2010 

I think there's a distinction between "the forest regime" which is a particular set of regulations/laws and "forest regulations" which would be just regulations applicable to forests.

19:34 Sep 8, 2010 

Hang on a mo' - the academics are using "forest regime" too...
Multilevel governance and agency in the international forest ...
Multilevel governance and agency in the international forest regime. This project examines the evolution and interaction of state and non-state governance ...
www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/governance/multilevel-governance - Cached

19:27 Sep 8, 2010 

I assume you are talking about the Eurocrats. Surely British MPs speak British English though? No wonder none of us in the UK know what they are talking about "over there" !! :) :)

19:00 Sep 8, 2010 

Brusselspeak uses "the forest regime" (which isn't very English, but we're in Europe now). I suspect "forêt soumise" is Benelux shorthand for the full phrase (... au régime forestier") (you can't really have a "forêt soumise" can you, I mean that would translate as something like "a submissive forest".