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Mar 19, 2013 13:27
11 yrs ago
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Norwegian term

privatist

Norwegian to English Other Education / Pedagogy
This appears on a diploma for a student completing videregående skole:

Matematikk 3MX (elever og privatister)

Is this what we call "home-schooled" in the U.S.? The various glossaries I have show it as "private candidate" or "external candidate", which are both inappropriate in the context of this particular level of education.
Proposed translations (English)
5 +2 external candidate
4 Private Candidate
4 Independent candidate
4 self-study student
4 GED Student
3 exam-only student

Discussion

Berit Anderson Mar 20, 2013:
I would definitely not use privately-educated student in the UK, where I live. That is completely different to the meaning of the Norwegian word 'privatist', and is very misleading. I think it would also be misleading to a US client.
Michele Fauble Mar 20, 2013:
A 'privatist' is someone who studies on their own, takes the final exams and is awarded the same diploma as a student who has attended school.
Ian Giles Mar 19, 2013:
'privately educated student' suggests the wrong thing - the emphasis here really should be on the fact that they are an external candidate for the exam.
Charles Ek (asker) Mar 19, 2013:
Hi Jeffrey. Not sure why you just posted that – the context here is videregående skole, not higher education.
jeffrey engberg Mar 19, 2013:
kandidat follow the links. You will see that kandidat is used extensively for higher education...
http://www.lovdata.no/for/sf/kd/td-20081212-1568-003.html
http://www.uib.no/phd/ansvarsforhold/ph.d.-kandidat
Charles Ek (asker) Mar 19, 2013:
Yes, fortunately the job is for a U.S. client, but I had tucked that possibility away for future reference.
Norskpro Mar 19, 2013:
Privately-educated student seems like the best option, although (at least in the UK) it could lead people to believe the person studied at a private school, which is not always the case. Some people study independently.
Charles Ek (asker) Mar 19, 2013:
Thanks, that second link is particularly helpful. I think I'll use "privately-educated student" unless someone comes up with anything better.
Norskpro Mar 19, 2013:
private studies I think it means that someone studies privately and has to enroll him/herself for a public exam. Home-schooled is something else, I think.


http://www.akademiet.no/Privatist.aspx

http://www.bjorknes.no/ (Queen Sonja was a privatist there.)

Proposed translations

+2
23 mins
Selected

external candidate

See the official dictionary by the Directorate of Education...
Reference:

http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/kd/dok/veiledninger_brosjyrer/2008/norsk-engelsk-ordbok-.html?id=534202

Note from asker:
I'm aware of the official glossary's translation. It makes little sense to me in the context of upper secondary education, which is generally completed by age 18 or so. Despite the Scandinavians' general proclivity to use "candidate" at this lower level, I've never seen it used elsewhere until higher education is involved.
Peer comment(s):
agree Ian Giles : In the UK, students who are home-schooled, have self-studied, etc. but take a public examination in a school are described as 'external candidates'.
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agree conniebrathen : This is the term used in Ireland also for the Leaving Cert, the upper secondary school exams. https://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=ca&sc=ca
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Private Candidate

This is the ENUK term for this. It means that you have studied on your own and have not attended classes. It is common that high school students in Norway do this to improve the total scores on high school diplomas to get admitted to higher education programs with competitive admission. It is also common on certain Profesjonsstudier, such as law, where your exam grades might limit your ability to hold certain positions as a public servant, such as judgeships, because the grade requirements are set forth in laws.
Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_candidate

Note from asker:
Hi Lene. It's a diploma from videregående skole that's at issue here, not anything to do with higher education. Hence my aversion for "candidate", as expressed elsewhere here.
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exam-only student

Mathematics 3MX (enrolled students and exam-only students)

Just a suggestion in case you feel that candidate really can't be used at this education level in the US.
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Independent candidate

Independent candidate is used. You could also use private candidate but it is not as clear as it could be confused with being privately educated, as pointed out in the discussion entries.
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self-study student

A 'privatist' is someone who studies on their own, takes the final exams and is awarded the same diploma as a student who has attended school.

When I wanted to study at the University of Oslo, and my US high school diploma was not enough to be admitted, I considered studying on my own and taking the exams as a 'privatist'. Ultimately I did not do this, but instead enrolled in a "gymnas/vidergående skole for voksne".


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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-03-20 16:07:23 GMT)
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"gymnas/videregående skole for voksne" - typo
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GED Student

GED: General Educational Development or General Equivalency Degree (or diploma).

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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2013-03-20 16:58:22 GMT)
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I asked my US wife about this and GED is a very common term in the US for people who did not receive a diploma in high school. I would look into it more if I was you...
Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Educational_Development

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