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Baukonstruktion, Bauformenlehre, Tragwerkskonstruktion, Tragwerkslehre

English translation: architectural design, architectural elements, supporting framework construction, supporting framework theory

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German term or phrase:Baukonstruktion, Bauformenlehre, Tragwerkskonstruktion, Tragwerkslehre
English translation:architectural design, architectural elements, supporting framework construction, supporting framework theory
Entered by: Michele Johnson

15:50 Feb 3, 2004
German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Architecture
German term or phrase: Baukonstruktion, Bauformenlehre, Tragwerkskonstruktion, Tragwerkslehre
I apologize for posting more than one word at a time, but they are all together in a list of subjects related to studying architecture. So I need a *consistent* way to translate and distinguish ALL of them, together in this list.

If, as in http://www.proz.com/?sp=h&id=200791&keyword=tragwerk
I use "structural engineering" for Tragwerkslehre, what am I going to call Tragwerkskonstruktion and especially Baukonstruktion? It's driving me batty.
Michele Johnson
Germany
Local time: 19:09
my attempt
Explanation:
The issue, as I see it, is to give the whole thing a consistent ring. I doubt you will be able to obtain a one-to-one correspondence with any English-language curriculum.
If your subject is architecture, then "Bauformen" obviously refers to traditional architectural elements (i.e. the famous flying buttress). Thus, you need to distinguish between architecture (the "language" of building) and engineering (the "mechanics" of building, or: why does the flying buttress fly?)
Hence:
Architectural Design
Architectural Elements
Structural (Engineering) Design
Structural (Engineering) Theory

The "engineering" is probably superfluous.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Architecture/4-184Architectural-De...
http://www.delta.edu/course/arc.html

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Robert Schlarb
Local time: 19:09
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I ended up using a combination of Robert's and Jonathan's suggestions (esp. liked the supporting frameworks approach) but in the end found Robert's explanation the most helpful. Yes, that is the crux of the problem: translating to both make sense AND be consistent. I also appreciate Deborah's link to the bilingual syllabi.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1my attempt
Robert Schlarb
2 +1structural design / structural theory / supporting framework construction / supporting FW theory
Jonathan MacKerron
2A link
Deborah Shannon


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structural design / structural theory / supporting framework construction / supporting FW theory


Explanation:
is my attempt to keep it simple

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Note added at 5 mins (2004-02-03 15:56:21 GMT)
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had to abbreviate framework with FW, wouldn\'t fit otherwise

Jonathan MacKerron
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 127

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agree  gangels (X): perhaps: supporting elements design / supporting elements theory
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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
A link


Explanation:
As I'm the one who threw the above spanner in the works, here's a relevant course syllabus I've found in German and English. (And Spanish...) Hope it's some use!


    Reference: http://arch.rwth-aachen.de/studium/architektur/dpo1991/hs/st...
    Reference: http://arch.rwth-aachen.de/studium/architektur/dpo1991/sylla...
Deborah Shannon
Germany
Local time: 19:09
Native speaker of: English
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my attempt


Explanation:
The issue, as I see it, is to give the whole thing a consistent ring. I doubt you will be able to obtain a one-to-one correspondence with any English-language curriculum.
If your subject is architecture, then "Bauformen" obviously refers to traditional architectural elements (i.e. the famous flying buttress). Thus, you need to distinguish between architecture (the "language" of building) and engineering (the "mechanics" of building, or: why does the flying buttress fly?)
Hence:
Architectural Design
Architectural Elements
Structural (Engineering) Design
Structural (Engineering) Theory

The "engineering" is probably superfluous.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Architecture/4-184Architectural-De...
http://www.delta.edu/course/arc.html




    Reference: http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/sc.html
    Reference: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-2889.html
Robert Schlarb
Local time: 19:09
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
I ended up using a combination of Robert's and Jonathan's suggestions (esp. liked the supporting frameworks approach) but in the end found Robert's explanation the most helpful. Yes, that is the crux of the problem: translating to both make sense AND be consistent. I also appreciate Deborah's link to the bilingual syllabi.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  gangels (X): Ever wondered why not 'soaring buttresses'? Really, '-lehre' is science rather than theory
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