Jun 13, 2013 18:17
11 yrs ago
English term
South Africa
Wine of Origin
English to French
Other
Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
Bonsoir à tous,
J’aimerais savoir comment vous traduiriez « Wine of Origin ». Ces trois mot sont utilisés dans la phrase suivante « Wine of Origin Western Cape ». Western Cape est une province de l’Afrique du Sud.
Merci.
J’aimerais savoir comment vous traduiriez « Wine of Origin ». Ces trois mot sont utilisés dans la phrase suivante « Wine of Origin Western Cape ». Western Cape est une province de l’Afrique du Sud.
Merci.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | Vin d'origine Western Cape |
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| 4 +3 | Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée |
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| 4 | vin provenant |
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Proposed translations
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Selected
Vin d'origine Western Cape
Kumala, Merlot-Pinotage 2012
Western Cape, Afrique du Sud / Vin d'origine Western Cape /
Prix: 11,95 $ / Code: 10489743
Offert à 11.65 $, ce Merlot-Pinotage de la maison Kumala, constitue certainement un des bons rapports qualité-prix dans les vins en provenance d'Afrique du Sud. Le Pinotage est un cépage qui est le résultat d'un croisement entre les cépages Cinsault (Hermitage) et Pinot Noir. On le retrouve principalement en Afrique du Sud. Un petit vin intéressant à connaître, une belle entrée en matière pour découvrir l'Afrique du Sud et le Pinotage. Au nez, on y décèle d'invitants arômes de prune mûre, de cerises confites ainsi que des petites touches végétales. En bouche, il est fruité, agréable, souple, vif, généreux et dispose d'un bel équilibre et d'une certaine rondeur. À ce prix, c'est un bon achat.
Servir à 16 °C. Il sera idéal pour accompagner les spaghettis sauce à la viande, des pâtes au beurre et huile d'olive avec poivre et pamigianno reggiano râpé, avec des satays de boeuf, ou avec le rôti de porc.
Voir le lein ci-dessous:
http://www.fidelesdebacchus.com/Recomm15.htm
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Tony M
: Sounds like a good solution to me!
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GILLES MEUNIER
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Merci!
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Isabelle Bouchet
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Platary (X)
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Premium✍️
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci"
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vin provenant
Vin provenant de (la région), ..... du.....
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Tony M
: On the other hand, I think this is a specific expression with a special meaning; I don't think it means just 'comes from'. / Well, to use your own words, it didn't seem like a "serious, well-thought" answer. Peer comments are 'to help asker decide'.
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I read the first 3 words. I did not pay attention to the next quoted phrase. But really, is that worth a 'neutral', just for the sake of it?//My track record speaks for itself. Won't dignify provocateur with any further answer.
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Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée
Appellation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation
The AOC seal, or Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, was created and mandated by ... wine; South Africa: Wine of Origin; United States: American Viticultural Area ...
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Note added at 47 mins (2013-06-13 19:04:34 GMT)
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"Wine of Orgin Scheme
Importance of origin
Because the role of origin is so important, an origin control system has for many years been in place in the traditional winelands of Europe, to protect both the producer and consumer. The two factors which play the most important role in determining the character and quality of a wine are nature (soil, climate and location) and the human hand (cultivar choice, viticultural practices and winemaking techniques). Of these two, nature is considered to be the more important factor with a greater influence. In certain areas vines grow better and within the South African wine-producing areas there are differences in soil, climate and location which cause wines to vary from region to region.
If a wine claims origin, it is the statutory regulations which ensure that the wine really is from that origin. When the term 'Wine of Origin? or the abbreviation 'W.O.? together with the name of a production area, such as Stellenbosch, Durbanville or Robertson appears on a label, it confirms that 100% of the grapes from which the wine was made come from that specific area. "
http://www.wine.co.za/Misc/Page_Detail.aspx?PAGEID=296
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-06-13 19:29:22 GMT)
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et bien je mettrais "Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée Cap occidental"
cf:
"Afrique du Sud 2011 - Page 67 - Google Books Result
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=2746931591 - Translate this page
Collectif, Dominique Auzias, Jean-Paul Labourdette - 2010 - Travel
Ce chiffre paraît énorme, mais l'Afrique du Sud n'est que le 9e producteur mondial avec ... en France, où I'AOC (Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée) prime sur le reste. ... Les régions de production On dénombre dans la région du Cap occidental ..."
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Note added at 12 hrs (2013-06-14 06:21:48 GMT)
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Well I've been thinking of Tony's objections to "Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée" or AOC.
I can understand his gripes.
The obvious solution would be to avoid the capitals, like in the French senate document and go for "appellation d'origine contrôlée Cap occidental"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation
The AOC seal, or Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, was created and mandated by ... wine; South Africa: Wine of Origin; United States: American Viticultural Area ...
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Note added at 47 mins (2013-06-13 19:04:34 GMT)
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"Wine of Orgin Scheme
Importance of origin
Because the role of origin is so important, an origin control system has for many years been in place in the traditional winelands of Europe, to protect both the producer and consumer. The two factors which play the most important role in determining the character and quality of a wine are nature (soil, climate and location) and the human hand (cultivar choice, viticultural practices and winemaking techniques). Of these two, nature is considered to be the more important factor with a greater influence. In certain areas vines grow better and within the South African wine-producing areas there are differences in soil, climate and location which cause wines to vary from region to region.
If a wine claims origin, it is the statutory regulations which ensure that the wine really is from that origin. When the term 'Wine of Origin? or the abbreviation 'W.O.? together with the name of a production area, such as Stellenbosch, Durbanville or Robertson appears on a label, it confirms that 100% of the grapes from which the wine was made come from that specific area. "
http://www.wine.co.za/Misc/Page_Detail.aspx?PAGEID=296
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-06-13 19:29:22 GMT)
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et bien je mettrais "Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée Cap occidental"
cf:
"Afrique du Sud 2011 - Page 67 - Google Books Result
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=2746931591 - Translate this page
Collectif, Dominique Auzias, Jean-Paul Labourdette - 2010 - Travel
Ce chiffre paraît énorme, mais l'Afrique du Sud n'est que le 9e producteur mondial avec ... en France, où I'AOC (Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée) prime sur le reste. ... Les régions de production On dénombre dans la région du Cap occidental ..."
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Note added at 12 hrs (2013-06-14 06:21:48 GMT)
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Well I've been thinking of Tony's objections to "Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée" or AOC.
I can understand his gripes.
The obvious solution would be to avoid the capitals, like in the French senate document and go for "appellation d'origine contrôlée Cap occidental"
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wolfheart
: oui AOC - mais il y a aussi AOP - appellation d'origine protégée
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merci !
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Tony M
: I think that's unwise; even though it may be a near equivalent, AOC does not exist outside France (AFAIK), so this would lead to an aberration. Yes, but even if it is an equivalent, it simply cannot be used for wines from outside France.
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sorry Tony, this is the exact equivalent for South Africa (http://www.wine.co.za/Misc/Page_Detail.aspx?PAGEID=296). Given the context (SA) there is no ambiguity whatsoever.// You can't possibly be more restrictive than the sénat français itself who use it
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Michaela Pizzinini
: oui http://www.senat.fr/rap/r01-349/r01-34932.html: "C'est notamment le cas de l'Afrique du sud qui a instauré en 1973 un système d'appellation d'origine contrôlée (wines of origin scheme), inspiré du dispositif européen"
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Thanks ! You saved my life ;-)
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Philippe Maillard
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merci!
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: Je croyais que c'était simplement une question de syntaxe !
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Discussion
As you say, describing something as an 'appellation d'origine contrôlée' is fine, because that is an explanation; but to go from there to calling it an 'AOC' wine is in my view a step too far — and one I doubt even the Sénat would condone.
P.S. Je ne suis pas perchée sur un trône et j'ai une très haute estime de mes collègues.
Désolée
"Western Cape (AOC)" might work — it is often used in brackets in FR as in EN.
Pour « Vin provenant de.. », il y a lieu d’y inscrire la région de provenance.
Fraipont et Tony qu’est-ce que vous en dites ?