Nov 28, 2003 19:52
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French term
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chef d'une partie de ses parts
French to English
Bus/Financial
A partner cannot constitute an agent to vote on one portion of his shares and vote in person on the other portion. Un associé ne peut constituer un mandataire pour voter du chef d'une partie de ses parts et voter en personne du chef de l'autre partie.
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William Stein
Costa Rica
Costa Rica
Native in English
Costa Rica
Translations that read like originals
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK) 
Works in: French to English, German to English, Spanish to English, and 3 more.
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exercise voting rights arising from one part of his shares
A partner shall not appoint a proxy to exercise voting rights arising from one portion of the partner's shares and exercise in person voting rights arising from the other part.
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Note added at 11 mins (2003-11-28 20:03:47 GMT)
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New, improved version:
A partner shall not appoint a proxy to vote on the strength of one part of his shares while voting in person on the strength of the other part.
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Note added at 12 hrs 3 mins (2003-11-29 07:56:28 GMT)
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For Lenkl\'s information:
1) My name is not Klein
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Note added at 12 hrs 3 mins (2003-11-29 07:56:28 GMT)
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For Lenkl\'s information:
1) My name is not Klein
2)
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Note added at 12 hrs 11 mins (2003-11-29 08:04:25 GMT)
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2) It\'s true that shareholders generally have the right to vote by correspondence. That is what lends importance to your failure to translate of \"en personne\";
3) I said \"vote shares\" was okay in financial jargon, as in the texts which you quote. Legal texts do not use generally use financial jargon, however, since they strive for maximum clarity. Not all shares are voting shares and not all have the same weight, and that would not be glossed over in a legal text
4) For somebody who introduced himself to me on ProZ by adding the completely obnoxious comment \"This was the answer that was chosen: What a joke!\", you sure get preachy about you perceive to be \"aggressive\", although there isn\'t a single personal remark in my comment.
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Note added at 11 mins (2003-11-28 20:03:47 GMT)
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New, improved version:
A partner shall not appoint a proxy to vote on the strength of one part of his shares while voting in person on the strength of the other part.
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Note added at 12 hrs 3 mins (2003-11-29 07:56:28 GMT)
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For Lenkl\'s information:
1) My name is not Klein
2)
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Note added at 12 hrs 3 mins (2003-11-29 07:56:28 GMT)
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For Lenkl\'s information:
1) My name is not Klein
2)
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Note added at 12 hrs 11 mins (2003-11-29 08:04:25 GMT)
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2) It\'s true that shareholders generally have the right to vote by correspondence. That is what lends importance to your failure to translate of \"en personne\";
3) I said \"vote shares\" was okay in financial jargon, as in the texts which you quote. Legal texts do not use generally use financial jargon, however, since they strive for maximum clarity. Not all shares are voting shares and not all have the same weight, and that would not be glossed over in a legal text
4) For somebody who introduced himself to me on ProZ by adding the completely obnoxious comment \"This was the answer that was chosen: What a joke!\", you sure get preachy about you perceive to be \"aggressive\", although there isn\'t a single personal remark in my comment.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you!"
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Richard Benham
France
France
Native in English
France
When quality counts
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, English
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voir ci-dessous
A partner may not appoint a proxy to vote on the basis of some of his/her shares and vote in person on the basis of the others
or something along those lines
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Note added at 2003-11-28 20:22:20 (GMT)
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Having just seen William\'s note, I think that\'s about as good as you\'ll get. Well done, William.
or something along those lines
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Note added at 2003-11-28 20:22:20 (GMT)
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Having just seen William\'s note, I think that\'s about as good as you\'ll get. Well done, William.
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William Stein
: "vote in person" is better than what I came up with.
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"exercise voting rights arising out of..." is wordy but very precise--maybe a combination of the two answers?
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Emérentienne
: oops, sorry, misread
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OK and thanks!
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GILLES MEUNIER
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writeaway
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vote by proxi...
A partner shall not vote by proxi on some of his/her shares and then vote himself ( or in person) on the other shares.
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Note added at 2003-11-28 23:05:00 (GMT)
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Vote by \"proxy\" sorry.
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Note added at 2003-11-28 23:05:00 (GMT)
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Vote by \"proxy\" sorry.
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[holders shall not appoint a proxy to] vote some of their shares
1) Associé can be either a partner (if it's an SNC or other form of patnership), or a shareholder, if it's an SA or SARL, put "part" in France is not used for shares of stock ("actions") only for shares of funds, partnerships and the like.
2) You can "vote shares" (they are called "voting shares"); no need to speak of voting "on" shares or "on the basis of" shares.
"A single holder's shares shall not be voted in part by a proxy and in part by their holder" would be another way of putting it.
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Note added at 3 hrs 49 mins (2003-11-28 23:42:13 GMT)
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For William Klein\'s information:
1) FindLaw - Voting Agreement - eToys Inc., idealab!, Edward C. Lenk ...
... in the manner set forth herein, for the purpose of setting forth the terms and conditions pursuant to which the Investors shall vote their shares of the ...
techdeals.startup.findlaw.com/agreements/ etoys/idealabvotingagree
2) E.ON - Investors - Corporate Governance / Corporate Governance ...
... At the Shareholders Meeting, shareholders may vote their shares themselves, by a proxy of their choice, or by a Company proxy who is required to follow the ...
www.eon-ag.com/online/Push/en/investor/
Also, I don\'t see the point in \"disagreeing\" over such relatively minor issues; the fact that you have not often seen a term or phrase doesn\'t mean that it cannot possible be correct; feel free to sugggest improvements, but please try to be less aggressive.
There is not a single match in Google for \"vote on the strength of their shares\" but that doesn\'t warrant a \"disagree\" either.
2) You can "vote shares" (they are called "voting shares"); no need to speak of voting "on" shares or "on the basis of" shares.
"A single holder's shares shall not be voted in part by a proxy and in part by their holder" would be another way of putting it.
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Note added at 3 hrs 49 mins (2003-11-28 23:42:13 GMT)
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For William Klein\'s information:
1) FindLaw - Voting Agreement - eToys Inc., idealab!, Edward C. Lenk ...
... in the manner set forth herein, for the purpose of setting forth the terms and conditions pursuant to which the Investors shall vote their shares of the ...
techdeals.startup.findlaw.com/agreements/ etoys/idealabvotingagree
2) E.ON - Investors - Corporate Governance / Corporate Governance ...
... At the Shareholders Meeting, shareholders may vote their shares themselves, by a proxy of their choice, or by a Company proxy who is required to follow the ...
www.eon-ag.com/online/Push/en/investor/
Also, I don\'t see the point in \"disagreeing\" over such relatively minor issues; the fact that you have not often seen a term or phrase doesn\'t mean that it cannot possible be correct; feel free to sugggest improvements, but please try to be less aggressive.
There is not a single match in Google for \"vote on the strength of their shares\" but that doesn\'t warrant a \"disagree\" either.
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writeaway
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William Stein
: 1) votes shares may be a good financial idiom, but you won't find it (m)any legal docs (e.g., bylaws), where clarity is everything and concision is nothing; 2) it is the holder who votes, directly or by proxy. What counts is "in person" at the meeting.
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Thanks. See above. Also, a shareholder generally has the option to vote by mail, so that when he apponts a proxy, that proxy does vote the shares and doesn't just act as the holder's mouthpiece; proxies are commonly given to management.
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