mimi 254 Jul 28, 2011:

vocation education/school agree with cchat!

cchat Jul 28, 2011:

This tends to suggest that cycle collégial means Lycée, as opposed to
enseignement secondaire qualifiant which I would take to mean lycée professionnel or vocational education.
http://www.francaismaroc.com/vb/index.php?s=ee641867f12b3796...

cchat Jul 28, 2011:

In the French system (which may be that of Morocco, sorry, I don't know), collège is from age 11 to 14 and you then go on to Lycée from 15 to 18. But we don't use "cycle collégial".

cc in nyc Jul 27, 2011:

Check this Wiki (in English): collège: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_France#C...
lycée: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_France#L...
(both part of the same Wiki)

Also note: "The City of Paris refers to a collège in English as a "high school.""

Good luck! ;-)

cc in nyc Jul 27, 2011:

I suppose... Although 16 is about the right age in the USA for second year of high school. But, more to the point, you'll need someone with more knowledge of the education system in Morocco... though I'd be *extremely* surprised if your student is in second year of university anywhere.

Also, "cycle" is typical terminology for divvying up academic courses of instruction in the French system. Best to check with someone who knows what "cycle collegial" at an "institut pédagogique" in Morocco if you feel you need an exact translation – almost never possible anyway with academic designations.

Christopher Crockett (asker) Jul 27, 2011:

I see your point, cc, a "cylcle collegial" isn't quite the same as a "cycle universitaire" --but the kid is 14 in 2010, which is certainly a bit old to be in his *second* year of junior high school. I was assuming he was a prodigy --unusually young for his second year in high school. But perhaps the opposite is the case? It's the meaning of "cycle" which appears to be key.

cc in nyc Jul 27, 2011:

Well maybe... Pre-college presumes that the next step is college, and I'm not sure that's the case here. Also, I believe that "collège" is considerably below "université" in the French system – in fact, more like junior high school in the USA. But the fellow whose website I found – and your student as well – sound too old for JHS.

Christopher Crockett (asker) Jul 27, 2011:

My initial mistake, of course, was in referring to the place as "a teacher's college in Morocco" --which particularly lead Tradusaro astray (my special apologies to him)-- I don't know what I was thinking, there. Yes, I'm thinking in terms of a (rather elite, private) secondary school which may (or may not) have two separate "tracks" --one leading to university, the other...somewhere else (a trade, perhaps?). In any event, I presume that we are in agreement that the "2ème année du cycle collegial" is the second year of the college "track."

cc in nyc Jul 27, 2011:

So maybe... It could be listed as "second year, Institut Pédagogique Arrouquie (secondary school)," but I would hesitate to go further...
• perhaps graduation from the IPA is sometimes a terminal degree, not leading to university.
• perhaps it's not exactly the equivalent of high school/bac level.

Verification from someone in Morocco would be nice. ;-)

Christopher Crockett (asker) Jul 27, 2011:

Yes, cc, the full name of the institution in question is the Etablisement Institut Pédagogique "Arrouquie" de enseignement privé. Which I take to be "THE ARROUQUIE PEDAGOGICAL INSTITUTE OF TEACHING (PRIVATE)" --the "private" referring to the fact that it is a private --rather than a public (government run)-- institute/preparatory school. But, French pedagogical institutes --much less Moroccan ones-- are definitely not my area of expertise, so your input is welcome.

cc in nyc Jul 27, 2011:

Yes... That sounds like secondary school to me – could be high school, if the final year results in a baccalauréat degree.

Christopher Crockett (asker) Jul 27, 2011:

Additional information Sorry for the confusion. Clearly I should have included this:

The student in question was born in 1996 and first enrolled in an "Institut Pédagogique" in 2006. His "2ème Année du cycle collegial" is 2010-2011, which he is presently attending.

So, he's not a college student now, but is rather in the "college preparatory progam[me]" at his "institut" [=high school] --or, at least that's my present thought.