Aug 21, 2011 13:05
13 yrs ago
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French term
SM Fusil
French to English
Social Sciences
Military / Defense
On a Cessation of Miltary Status certificate
On an 'Ordre de cessation de l'état militaire' the 'Grade et spécialité' is shown as 'SM FUSIL'
Any ideas please?
Any ideas please?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 +1 | petty officer/second master, Fusiliers |
Claire Nolan
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| 4 | Petty officer second class - French Marine corps |
Michel F. Morin
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| 1 -1 | Sergeant Major Fusiliers |
Bashiqa
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References
| This may be helpful... |
Tony M
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Proposed translations
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petty officer/second master, Fusiliers
Grades Marine Nationale française - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvOwFYaKUQY59 sec - 19 Apr 2011 - Uploaded by DRobberts
QMM Quartier maître maistrancier. SM Second maître. MT Maître # Officiers mariniers supérieurs. PM Premier maître. MP Maître principal ...
Le second maître est le premier grade d'officier marinier de la marine nationale en France
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_maître
''Second master'' is given in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy#Ranks_of_the_Nation...
''Petty officer'' is given at WR:
second maître nm petty officer
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/maître
''Petty officer'' is given here, also, as a translation for ''second maître'':
http://sites.google.com/site/motman/Home/information/navalra...
SM fusil seems to be a rank in the naval reserves in France. See:
http://ciramtoulon.free.fr/lettresapertoulon/NEWS RES novemb...
Note also that there are sailors bearing rifles in the first photo.
Also, Wikipedia states that fusiliers exist in today's French navy:
Only the French Navy and French Air Force use the title fusilier today. The navy's marines are known as fusiliers sailors (Fusiliers Marins) and the Air Force's ground infantry are known as Air Fusiliers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusilier#France
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvOwFYaKUQY59 sec - 19 Apr 2011 - Uploaded by DRobberts
QMM Quartier maître maistrancier. SM Second maître. MT Maître # Officiers mariniers supérieurs. PM Premier maître. MP Maître principal ...
Le second maître est le premier grade d'officier marinier de la marine nationale en France
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_maître
''Second master'' is given in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy#Ranks_of_the_Nation...
''Petty officer'' is given at WR:
second maître nm petty officer
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/maître
''Petty officer'' is given here, also, as a translation for ''second maître'':
http://sites.google.com/site/motman/Home/information/navalra...
SM fusil seems to be a rank in the naval reserves in France. See:
http://ciramtoulon.free.fr/lettresapertoulon/NEWS RES novemb...
Note also that there are sailors bearing rifles in the first photo.
Also, Wikipedia states that fusiliers exist in today's French navy:
Only the French Navy and French Air Force use the title fusilier today. The navy's marines are known as fusiliers sailors (Fusiliers Marins) and the Air Force's ground infantry are known as Air Fusiliers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusilier#France
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Comment: "Many thanks!"
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Sergeant Major Fusiliers
Not at all my speciality, but an idea for starters
Peer comment(s):
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Ronald van Riet
: sergeant major = adjudant in French
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Merci pour l'info
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Tony M
: If it were 'sergent-major', then according to R+C, it would be roughly 'quartermaster sergeant'
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As I said - only for starters
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Petty officer second class - French Marine corps
Second maître is the lowest rank for non-commissioned officers in the French Navy - equivalent to "sergeant" in the Army (see Web.Ref.1) - such as "Petty Officer Second Class" in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard, providing therefore the best equivalent (Web.Ref.2).
NOTA: Petty Officer Third Class is equivalent to a Corporal
"Fusil" refers to "fusilier marin commando" (AKA "Fusco") - the equivalent of US Marines. But since they are part of the Navy, they bear Navy ranks and marks. That's why I suggest "French Marine corps", to make this answer more easily understandable !
NOTA: Petty Officer Third Class is equivalent to a Corporal
"Fusil" refers to "fusilier marin commando" (AKA "Fusco") - the equivalent of US Marines. But since they are part of the Navy, they bear Navy ranks and marks. That's why I suggest "French Marine corps", to make this answer more easily understandable !
Reference comments
1 hr
Reference:
This may be helpful...
...though seems to throw even further confusion into the ring!
Abréviations militaires (France) - Wikipédia
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abréviations_militaires_(France)
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... Régional des Affaires Civiles et Economiques de Défense et de Protection Civile; SM Section de mitrailleuses; SM Secrétaire Militaire; SM Second Maître ...
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Note added at 1 heure (2011-08-21 14:25:23 GMT)
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To add confusion, the sixth reference kindly provided by Clain mentions the abbreviation SM quite a lot, but in the témoignages at the end, the person quite specifically mentions 'sécretaire militaire' (though we don't know if there is any direct connection, of course!)
Abréviations militaires (France) - Wikipédia
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abréviations_militaires_(France)
+1 publié par vous pour ce contenu Annuler
... Régional des Affaires Civiles et Economiques de Défense et de Protection Civile; SM Section de mitrailleuses; SM Secrétaire Militaire; SM Second Maître ...
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Note added at 1 heure (2011-08-21 14:25:23 GMT)
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To add confusion, the sixth reference kindly provided by Clain mentions the abbreviation SM quite a lot, but in the témoignages at the end, the person quite specifically mentions 'sécretaire militaire' (though we don't know if there is any direct connection, of course!)
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