Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

noyau généreux et plein

English translation:

full and generous core

Added to glossary by PB Trans
Nov 5, 2007 14:02
17 yrs ago
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French term

noyau généreux et plein

French to English Other Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
Couleur d’un rubis intense et profond. Notes de framboise sur fond délicatement fumé. Première bouche d’une belle pureté de fruit. Noyau généreux et plein. Rétro-olfaction sur des notes d’épices exotiques.

Discussion

PB Trans (asker) Nov 6, 2007:
This is not a wine label They are tasting notes.
Mark Nathan Nov 6, 2007:
"middle of the palate" is quite common, and arguably the same thing as the "core", which sounds a bit odd, as others have said
PB Trans (asker) Nov 6, 2007:
Another "La bouche est de corps moyen, aux tannins fins, serrés mais plutôt délicats, le milieu de palais offre un très beau noyau de fruit pur, cerise, frais, assez élégant, d'assez bonne concentration. Un vin essentiellement élégant." http://www.ledegustateur.com/cr.bourg020304.html
Mark Nathan Nov 6, 2007:
I don't think so, I looked at the blog that this text appears to come from and the way he uses "noyau" elsewhere seems more general.
PB Trans (asker) Nov 6, 2007:
This is not from my text but perhaps it will add context "Belle attaque veloutée, suivie par une bouche, ample, serrée, d'une matière généreuse mais étonnamment compacte et tendue pour le millésime, de bonne acidité, avec un noyau très mûr de fruit noir, aux accents de cuir et de minéral." http://www.ledegustateur.com/dossier.bd03.html
PB Trans (asker) Nov 6, 2007:
noyau Can it be if refers to the fruit in the previous sentence? I have found lots of google hits for "generous core of..." and then it specifies the fruity flavour of the wine.

Proposed translations

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generous and full core

full fleshy core / kernel.....

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....loaded with generous core fruit flavours......
www.usmenuguide.com/himalayancuisinewinelist.html

....full and generous taste which lasts to the core of the wine.....
Peer comment(s):

agree Carol Gullidge : or a rich, full core?
1 hr
thank you ,carol.
agree jean-jacques alexandre
2 hrs
thank you , jean.
agree Emma Paulay
4 hrs
thank you , emma.
neutral Charles Hawtrey (X) : I've never read 'core' on a wine label in UK. 'Body' is more usual.
18 hrs
thankyou charles
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4 hrs

generous and full foundation/middle

"Core" is not a term I have heard used with wine before.

Here, the French is discussing, IMO, the basic part of the wine, which is neither the start, nor the finish, but the middle. As this is the main part of wine-tasting, it could also be called the foundation.

That said, core could be used, too.
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4 hrs

generous and full-bodied

This use of "noyau" seems to be Canadian.
It's a slightly different way of talking about wine - I think that, in UK English at least, there is a tendency to make remarks about a wine without specifically referring to the middle/central structure etc.. One might qualify the start and the finish with being fruity, tannic etc, but then any other adjectives simply apply to the wine's main mouth sensation, or "essential character" to get back to "nucleus".
So I would not try to translate nucleus, as it risks sounding odd.
Just say, "Generous and full-bodied; retro-olfaction with notes of exotic spices".
Peer comment(s):

agree Angeliki Papadopoulou : Yes, that's the one! Good evening, Mark.
42 mins
Good evening Angeliki
agree Laura Tridico : Yes - "full core" isn't a term I've heard with wine, and it doesn't Google well...
5 hrs
agree Charles Hawtrey (X) : Except 'retro-olfaction' would not be understood by 99.9% of EN people. 'Background aroma' or similar, more simply? Label language here is tending noticeably towards simplification, to widen market.//Only 6 UK ghits for retro-olf. & 2 explain the term
15 hrs
Absolutely, depends on the target audience, I got the impression these were quite "serious" tasting notes.
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