Jul 23, 2021 23:21
2 yrs ago
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Portuguese term
Brazil
"Your word spread through mine"
Native in: Portuguese (Variants: European/Portugal, Brazilian, Mozambican) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Hebrew to Portuguese, English to Hebrew
Regência (verbal)
Portuguese to English
Other
Linguistics
Gramática
Frases de contexto:
"É necessário saber a regência correta dos verbos";
"Este tópico explicará o que é transitividade verbal e regência verbal";
"O verbo 'assistir' rege o objeto por qual preposição?"
"É necessário saber a regência correta dos verbos";
"Este tópico explicará o que é transitividade verbal e regência verbal";
"O verbo 'assistir' rege o objeto por qual preposição?"
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | Verb valency |
Oliver Simões
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| 5 +1 | Government |
Paul Dixon
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| 4 | Subject-verb agreement |
Mario Freitas
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References
| Verb valency |
Muriel Vasconcellos
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Proposed translations
+2
56 mins
Oliver Simões
United States
United States
Native in Portuguese
Works in field
United States
BA in Transl., MA in ESL, 15 yrs of exp.
Native in: Portuguese 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English, Spanish to Portuguese, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
4
Selected
Verb valency
"The use of the term valency follows the normal European terminology; the term
is less common in American linguistics, but when it appears it seems to mean about
the same. In any case, it is defined in Chap. 1. The less widespread term diathesis is
equally defined in Chap. 1." https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm:978-3-319-20985-2/...
"My confusion started when I think of the word lay. In though why it have to be "lay to me". Why it cant be "lay me". Whe i have to use the word "to" after the verb and when i dont have to. Like in Spanish the word "lay" = mentir and you can translate "lay to me" like "miénteME" or "miénteme a MI". After a research, I couldn't find the definitively answer about it, but I start understanding it has to do with the "verb valency", like you have to memorize all the verbs and their valency. Am I right about this? or it depends on other things that I don't understand or I am missing?"
https://learnenglish.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/5792/ve...
A regência verbal pode ser um tanto complicada. Impossível saber de cor a regência de todos os verbos, ou seja, por quais preposições são regidos. Quando não sei, recorro a um bom dicionário. Ontem mesmo, revisando um documento em português, fiquei em dúvida quanto à regência do verbo "aderir", que eu imaginava ser a preposição "a" (aderir a alguma coisa). Ocorre que na tradução, o tradutor usou a frase "adesão adequada dos cuidados primários [de saúde]." De fato, o dicionário confirmou que "a" é a preposição correta neste caso. Então não pensei duas vezes em corrigir o texto para "adesão adequada aos cuidados primários." Quem adere, adere a alguma coisa, portanto deve ser "adesão a alguma coisa". Se digo "adesão dos cuidados", não estaria dizendo que os cuidados possuem a adesão? (O que não faria o mínimo sentido.)
Enfim, espero ter ajudado.
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Note added at 58 mins (2021-07-24 00:19:57 GMT)
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Note: The second quote from the top is not the best, it has some grammatical errors, but I think the guy got his point across.
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-07-24 00:22:54 GMT)
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There is also a useful explanation about verb valency on this page:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/portuguese-to-english/linguistics...
is less common in American linguistics, but when it appears it seems to mean about
the same. In any case, it is defined in Chap. 1. The less widespread term diathesis is
equally defined in Chap. 1." https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm:978-3-319-20985-2/...
"My confusion started when I think of the word lay. In though why it have to be "lay to me". Why it cant be "lay me". Whe i have to use the word "to" after the verb and when i dont have to. Like in Spanish the word "lay" = mentir and you can translate "lay to me" like "miénteME" or "miénteme a MI". After a research, I couldn't find the definitively answer about it, but I start understanding it has to do with the "verb valency", like you have to memorize all the verbs and their valency. Am I right about this? or it depends on other things that I don't understand or I am missing?"
https://learnenglish.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/5792/ve...
A regência verbal pode ser um tanto complicada. Impossível saber de cor a regência de todos os verbos, ou seja, por quais preposições são regidos. Quando não sei, recorro a um bom dicionário. Ontem mesmo, revisando um documento em português, fiquei em dúvida quanto à regência do verbo "aderir", que eu imaginava ser a preposição "a" (aderir a alguma coisa). Ocorre que na tradução, o tradutor usou a frase "adesão adequada dos cuidados primários [de saúde]." De fato, o dicionário confirmou que "a" é a preposição correta neste caso. Então não pensei duas vezes em corrigir o texto para "adesão adequada aos cuidados primários." Quem adere, adere a alguma coisa, portanto deve ser "adesão a alguma coisa". Se digo "adesão dos cuidados", não estaria dizendo que os cuidados possuem a adesão? (O que não faria o mínimo sentido.)
Enfim, espero ter ajudado.
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Note added at 58 mins (2021-07-24 00:19:57 GMT)
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Note: The second quote from the top is not the best, it has some grammatical errors, but I think the guy got his point across.
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-07-24 00:22:54 GMT)
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There is also a useful explanation about verb valency on this page:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/portuguese-to-english/linguistics...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: Yep! I took a 3-credit course on this subject alone, titled 'Case Grammar'.
1 hr
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Thank you, Muriel. It's good to get your validation as a PhD in Linguistics.
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| agree |
Rodrigo Silva
12 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
1 hr
Paul Dixon
Brazil
Brazil
Native in Portuguese
&
English
Brazil
PT/EN Translator - ABRATES Certified
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK) , Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
Works in: Portuguese to English, English to Portuguese
Related KudoZ points
:
32
Government
Source: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_(linguistics)
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: OK, but I'm more familiar with the term 'valency'. See my comment at Oliver's answer.
40 mins
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1 hr
Mario Freitas
Brazil
Brazil
Native in Portuguese
&
English
Brazil
32 years engineering/law/contracts
Native in: English (Variant: US) , Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
:
35
Subject-verb agreement
Common grammar rules.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: See Oliver's answer and my comment and references.
3 hrs
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Reference comments
5 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
:
2542
Reference:
Verb valency
Opening paragraph of Wikipedia article on verb valency:
"In linguistics, valency or valence is the number and type of arguments controlled by a predicate, content verbs being typical predicates. Valency is related, though not identical, to subcategorization and transitivity, which count only object arguments – valency counts all arguments, including the subject. The linguistic meaning of valency derives from the definition of valency in chemistry."
Opening paragraph of Wikipedia article on case grammar:
Case grammar is a system of linguistic analysis, focusing on the link between the valence, or number of subjects, objects, etc., of a verb and the grammatical context it requires. The system was created by the American linguist Charles J. Fillmore in the context of Transformational Grammar (1968). This theory analyzes the surface syntactic structure of sentences by studying the combination of deep cases (i.e. semantic roles, such as Agent, Object, Benefactor, Location or Instrument etc.) which are required by a specific verb. For instance, the verb "give" in English requires an Agent (A) and Object (O), and a Beneficiary (B); e.g. "Jones (A) gave money (O) to the school (B).
"In linguistics, valency or valence is the number and type of arguments controlled by a predicate, content verbs being typical predicates. Valency is related, though not identical, to subcategorization and transitivity, which count only object arguments – valency counts all arguments, including the subject. The linguistic meaning of valency derives from the definition of valency in chemistry."
Opening paragraph of Wikipedia article on case grammar:
Case grammar is a system of linguistic analysis, focusing on the link between the valence, or number of subjects, objects, etc., of a verb and the grammatical context it requires. The system was created by the American linguist Charles J. Fillmore in the context of Transformational Grammar (1968). This theory analyzes the surface syntactic structure of sentences by studying the combination of deep cases (i.e. semantic roles, such as Agent, Object, Benefactor, Location or Instrument etc.) which are required by a specific verb. For instance, the verb "give" in English requires an Agent (A) and Object (O), and a Beneficiary (B); e.g. "Jones (A) gave money (O) to the school (B).
Discussion
valence (in chemistry): the combining power of an element, especially as measured by the number of hydrogen atoms it can displace or combine with. - Oxford Dictionary
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