Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
regime d'exception
English translation:
illegitimate regime
Added to glossary by
Clive Jones
Aug 29, 2002 09:34
21 yrs ago
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French term
regime d'exception
French to English
Other
Government / Politics
political
This is a political phrase referring to a non-legitimate regime i.e. one in which the Leader/governing body/authority has not been elected. A result of a coup d'etat for example.
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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illegitimate regime
In the sense that it lacks legitimacy, through not having achieved power by constitutional means.
See following expmapes referring to Zimbabwe and Burma:
The Daily Newspaper::Zimbabwe - [Traduire cette page ]
... LETTERS/OPINIONS, Friday 17 , May. We will never legitimise this illegitimate regime. ... We,
the people of Zimbabwe, will not give legitimacy to the illegitimate. ...
www.dailynews.co.zw/daily/2002/May/May17/4187.html
Free Burma Coalition - [Traduire cette page ]
... 212) 228-0450 In Midst of UN Millennial Assembly Burmese Take to Streets, Criticize
UN for Allowing Illegitimate Regime Right to Vote in UN General Assembly ...
www.freeburmacoalition.org/frames/campaigns/ un/S-8%20Press%20Release.htm
See following expmapes referring to Zimbabwe and Burma:
The Daily Newspaper::Zimbabwe - [Traduire cette page ]
... LETTERS/OPINIONS, Friday 17 , May. We will never legitimise this illegitimate regime. ... We,
the people of Zimbabwe, will not give legitimacy to the illegitimate. ...
www.dailynews.co.zw/daily/2002/May/May17/4187.html
Free Burma Coalition - [Traduire cette page ]
... 212) 228-0450 In Midst of UN Millennial Assembly Burmese Take to Streets, Criticize
UN for Allowing Illegitimate Regime Right to Vote in UN General Assembly ...
www.freeburmacoalition.org/frames/campaigns/ un/S-8%20Press%20Release.htm
Peer comment(s):
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kmreder (X)
: This was my first thought, but there's a definite negative connotation (if the article is in favor of the regime or unbiased, we'd want something else).
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: i think it has to be this one really - can't think of anything better
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Christopher Crockett
: Depends, really on the specificity of the French original. All Unelected Régimes are Illegitimate Régimes, but not all I.R.s are U.R.s, if you catch my drift. I.R. covers all bases, until the French meaning of what may be a juridical phrase is explored.
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markmx
: depends on who's branding it illegitimate, but I'd go along with the Zimbabwe/Burma reference
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you for your contribution. I am convinced by your references. Here is the sentence I put:
Denying the economic and democratic advances and achievements of the legitimately elected power, doubting the will of the latter to allow justice to take its course when confronted with sensitive issues, the members of the G 14 radical opposition had imagined a country where power could be exercised without the support of the people, without elections, without contests, even without justice, in a word, without democracy.
As for justice in this case, it was meted out in a calm and quiet manner, in spite of strong calls to insurrection proffered by rabble-rousing arm-chair critics, longing for a return to an illegitimate regime!
"
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Unelected Regime
Declined
Just a suggestion
Peer comment(s):
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Maria Luísa Jacquinet
: I did not see this answer before. It is a good guess if it results from a coup, ofr example.
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Ben Gaia
: more precise than "rogue state" which refers to resistance to the accepted order.
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: in fact i think you have it - better than illegitimate for reasons that colin points out
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Christopher Crockett
: Depends, really on the specificity of the French original. All Unelected Régimes are Illegitimate Régimes, but not all I.R.s are U.R.s, if you catch my drift.
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Comment: "Difficult to choose between this answer and the accepted"
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emergency measures
Declined
emergency measures have been taken for
des mesures d'exception ont été prises
For judiciary/legal and political decisions.
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Note added at 2002-08-29 09:48:02 (GMT)
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If the text is referring to the rulers - from a coup - you might try unlegitimate regime
des mesures d'exception ont été prises
For judiciary/legal and political decisions.
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Note added at 2002-08-29 09:48:02 (GMT)
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If the text is referring to the rulers - from a coup - you might try unlegitimate regime
Peer comment(s):
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marfus
: i'm not sure a translator may use words like "unlegitimate", poorly known to English-speaking world, to put it mildly
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: it's not measures, It's a regime or government
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disagree |
Libero_Lang_Lab
: ditto
1 day 8 hrs
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disagree |
Christopher Crockett
: Encore.
1 day 10 hrs
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Comment: "I think the word "measures" is not the correct one"
11 mins
outlaw régime
Declined
is my suggestion
Peer comment(s):
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: pretty good - but it is very marked, and in a very different tone from the french expression
1 day 8 hrs
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neutral |
Christopher Crockett
: Yes, carries most of the sense, but some Outlaw Régimes are more Outlaw that Others. Plus, the French meaning might entail a more specific meaning.
1 day 10 hrs
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Comment: "Nearly accepted - especially since the context is propaganda"
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exceptional regime
Declined
Exemple: This exceptional regime regarding the sanctioning of some crimes against property was also provided for in the Criminal Code of 1968, but only for the situations when those crimes were committed against personal or private property, and not if they were committed against the social property, in which case the rule of the criminal trial being carried out ex officio was enforced exclusively.
Or:
The freedom of movement given to the programme was not accompanied by the managerial rigour and tight control which should have been the corollary of this exceptional regime.
This can be used as you can see in political, law, trade agreements etc.
Good luck
Or:
The freedom of movement given to the programme was not accompanied by the managerial rigour and tight control which should have been the corollary of this exceptional regime.
This can be used as you can see in political, law, trade agreements etc.
Good luck
Peer comment(s):
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Maria Luísa Jacquinet
: It depends on the context
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disagree |
Libero_Lang_Lab
: this makes it sounds like they were wonderful
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Christopher Crockett
: A literal translation (or transliteration), but one which has no commonly understood English meaning or usage.
1 day 10 hrs
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Comment: "Thanks but too much like a literal translation."
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regime of exception
Declined
Specific emergency constitutional provisions have allowed governments to constitute--in all meaning of that word--a regime of exception. As Brian Loveman points out in a superb account of Latin American constitutional history, such a regime of exception allows a temporary suspension of existing constitutional provisions in order to give executive authorities far-reaching powers to reorganize the governmental apparatus.
http://www.hawaii.edu/aplpj/2/4b.html
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Note added at 2002-08-29 10:13:51 (GMT)
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In the regime of exception based on the
commissarial, ultimately Roman, model, one institution of a
constitutional regime is given the power to temporarily act outside
of constitutional limits. As is well known, according to Schmitt, in
the Weimar Republic it was the presidency that could, under
specific circumstances (and within never clarified limits), assume
such extraordinary and largely extralegal powers. Schmitt,
however-at least until the final crisis of Weimar-prohibited the
emergency dictator from innovating to materially change the
constitution in the name of which his own suspension was to be
justified. When, during crisis, the legitimate dictator changes the
constitution, we encounter the occurrence of the auto-golpe-the
coup of the state against itself, or rather, of part of the government
against its other parts.
http://www.gongfa.com/shimitehemeiguo.htm
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Note added at 2002-08-29 10:15:36 (GMT)
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In the regime of exception based on the
commissarial, ultimately Roman, model, one institution of a
constitutional regime is given the power to temporarily act outside
of constitutional limits. As is well known, according to Schmitt, in
the Weimar Republic it was the presidency that could, under
specific circumstances (and within never clarified limits), assume
such extraordinary and largely extralegal powers. Schmitt,
however-at least until the final crisis of Weimar-prohibited the
emergency dictator from innovating to materially change the
constitution in the name of which his own suspension was to be
justified. When, during crisis, the legitimate dictator changes the
constitution, we encounter the occurrence of the auto-golpe-the
coup of the state against itself, or rather, of part of the government
against its other parts.
http://www.gongfa.com/shimitehemeiguo.htm
http://www.hawaii.edu/aplpj/2/4b.html
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Note added at 2002-08-29 10:13:51 (GMT)
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In the regime of exception based on the
commissarial, ultimately Roman, model, one institution of a
constitutional regime is given the power to temporarily act outside
of constitutional limits. As is well known, according to Schmitt, in
the Weimar Republic it was the presidency that could, under
specific circumstances (and within never clarified limits), assume
such extraordinary and largely extralegal powers. Schmitt,
however-at least until the final crisis of Weimar-prohibited the
emergency dictator from innovating to materially change the
constitution in the name of which his own suspension was to be
justified. When, during crisis, the legitimate dictator changes the
constitution, we encounter the occurrence of the auto-golpe-the
coup of the state against itself, or rather, of part of the government
against its other parts.
http://www.gongfa.com/shimitehemeiguo.htm
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Note added at 2002-08-29 10:15:36 (GMT)
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In the regime of exception based on the
commissarial, ultimately Roman, model, one institution of a
constitutional regime is given the power to temporarily act outside
of constitutional limits. As is well known, according to Schmitt, in
the Weimar Republic it was the presidency that could, under
specific circumstances (and within never clarified limits), assume
such extraordinary and largely extralegal powers. Schmitt,
however-at least until the final crisis of Weimar-prohibited the
emergency dictator from innovating to materially change the
constitution in the name of which his own suspension was to be
justified. When, during crisis, the legitimate dictator changes the
constitution, we encounter the occurrence of the auto-golpe-the
coup of the state against itself, or rather, of part of the government
against its other parts.
http://www.gongfa.com/shimitehemeiguo.htm
Peer comment(s):
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Diane Fontainebleau Pochй
: I believe this shows the more accurate definition of the term, showing how even a 'legitimate' government may transform into a regime of exception.
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Hazel Whiteley
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NancyLynn
: un tribunal d'exception (Dr.) est en dehors du droit commun (Larousse)
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Yolanda Broad
: It's good to see a *proper* term showing up (well-explained, too).
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: simply doesn't sound right to me - don't you find it odd that the reference you've given comes from a Chinese site???
1 day 7 hrs
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Christopher Crockett
: A literal translation (or transliteration), but one which has no commonly understood English meaning or usage [Dan's point]. Unknown to the OED and therefore Pedantically Incorrect..
1 day 10 hrs
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Comment: "Thanks - but too literal, I think"
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2 hrs
rogue government or state
but "regime" implies illegitimacy in itself: it may be enough.
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: rogue, yes, state or government, good
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Yolanda Broad
: This is the current favorite in what I think originated as "Bush-speak" but is now common currency in the press.
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: rogue regime or government) (not state) is one of the better attempts in my humble opinion
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markmx
: 'rogue state' was a wonderful expression before it got co-opted into New World Order-speak. Suggests long-term entrenchment; if it's interim or recent, I still prefer 'outlaw régime'. But 'rogue régime' could be good.
1 day 6 hrs
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Christopher Crockett
: Again, most (but not all: U.S. in the '60s) "rogue states" may be Illegitimate Régimes, but not all I.R.s are R.S.s.
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state of emergency.
A political regime resulting from a coup or the like.
Peer comment(s):
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: an elected / legitimate government can declare a state of emergency
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Christopher Crockett
: Butbut, a "political régime resulting from a coup or the like" isn't a "State of Emergency." And neither is a "régime d'exception."
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Regime of George II
"a political phrase referring to a non-legitimate regime i.e. one in which the Leader... has not been elected."
Peer comment(s):
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Libero_Lang_Lab
: I nice historic reference - hats off to you sir, for your erudition - but I think you are suffering from the madness of George III if you suggest that it will work in the present context ;-)
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It's not Erudition, but simple Awarness of What's Going on. Combined with Pedanticism, of course. If we ain't living under a "Régime d'exception" at present I don't want to see what one *really* looks like, bro.
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2 days 17 mins
aberrant administration / junta / dubious régime / political aberration / régime (A.Borges)
In the Asker's context, just throwing out some ideas for others to play with...
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