Jan 10, 2014 12:50
10 yrs ago
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English term

Flats

Non-PRO English Other Tourism & Travel tourism
At that time, the city ended at Montgomery Street, which is several blocks back today. Long mud flats separated it from the water. So the merchants built wharves out over the flats to attract prospectors arriving by boat.

This is about the history of Frisco (San Francisco).

TIA!
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Jan 10, 2014 13:31: Yvonne Gallagher changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): AllegroTrans, Edith Kelly, Yvonne Gallagher

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low-lying muddy land, revealed by low tide

Short for mudflats, this is the (generally very flat) muddy land that is revealed at low tide, found in estuaries and along the coast.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mudflats
Peer comment(s):

agree Carol Gullidge : although, according to Chambers, it is an independent word, not necessarily short for mudflats//According to Chambers, it's a word all of its own! They list mudflats separately. 'Flats" isn't in my Collins = an americanism?
4 mins
Thank you Carol. In this particular context, the word 'flats' used here is short for mudflats.// Yes, I agree with you, Carol, it is a word in its own right, but here it's definitely muddy. I remember sinking in some mudflats once - terrifying experience!
agree Petro Ebersöhn (X)
7 mins
Thank you Petro2.
agree Tony M : I agree with Carol: they wouldn't have written 'muddy (mud)flats', now would they?
12 mins
Thanks Tony.
agree Edith Kelly
25 mins
Thank you, Edith
agree Yvonne Gallagher : here they are tidal mudflats
1 hr
agree AllegroTrans
1 hr
agree Jean-Claude Gouin
2 hrs
agree Daniel Weston
14 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks everyone. I live in the desert and the swamps etc. use to cover territory way up to the north ( Galilee etc.). Plus I didn't visit the West Coast yet."
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4 mins

mudflats

Also "mud flats".

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Note added at 4 mins (2014-01-10 12:54:58 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudflat
Peer comment(s):

agree Yvonne Gallagher : Happy New Year to you Dónal:-)
37 mins
Thanks Gallagy. Happy New Year.
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+2
6 mins

area of land covered by shallow water

as in Chambers, when used in the plural.

But (depending of course on your target audience) there is no need to change the word, as - though not a common usage - it is quite acceptable
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : ...and often uncovered by tidal variations.
9 mins
thanks Tony!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : sometimes covered...
34 mins
Thanks Gallagy!
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-1
14 mins

mudbanks

It looks like these areas are not flooded
Peer comment(s):

disagree Yvonne Gallagher : sorry, but "banks" are not flat...and they are flooded//OPPOSITE of FLAT http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bank
28 mins
Banks can be flat on the surface and are usually permanent. The dictionary says: 5. A large elevated area of a sea floor. Often used in the plural. I think it fits perfectly.
neutral AllegroTrans : I don't think this helps to explian the asker's term and confuses the issue
1 hr
Mudbanbks is the idea I get from the description, the asker will evaluate
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Reference comments

1 hr
Reference:

mud flats Frisco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_mud



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Note added at 1 hr (2014-01-10 14:09:47 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay

Bay fill and depth profile[edit]

San Francisco Bay's profile changed dramatically in the late 19th century and again with the initiation of dredging by the US Army Corps of Engineers in the 20th century. Before about 1860, most bay shores (exception: rocky shores such as those in Carquinez Strait, along Marin shoreline, Point Richmond, Golden Gate area) contained extensive wetlands that graded nearly invisibly from freshwater wetlands to salt marsh and then tidal mudflat. A deep channel ran through the center of the bay, following the ancient drowned river valley.
In the 1860s and continuing into the early 20th century, miners dumped staggering quantities of mud and gravel from hydraulic mining operations into the upper Sacramento and San Joaquin Rivers. GK Gilbert's estimates of debris total more than eight times the amount of rock and dirt moved during construction of the Panama Canal. This material flowed down the rivers, progressively eroding into finer and finer sediment, until it reached the bay system. Here some of it settled, eventually filling in Suisun Bay, San Pablo Bay, and San Francisco Bay, in decreasing order of severity.
By the end of the 19th century, these "slickens" had filled in much of the shallow bay flats, raising the entire bay profile. New marshes were created in some areas.


(1) Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, (2) Golden Gate Bridge, (3) San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, (4) San Mateo-Hayward Bridge, (5) Dumbarton Bridge
In the last years of the nineteenth- and first decades of the twentieth-centuries, at the behest of local political officials and following Congressional orders, the US Army Corps began dredging the Sacramento and San Joaquin Rivers and the deep channels of San Francisco Bay. This work has continued without interruption ever since, an enormous federal subsidy of San Francisco Bay shipping[citation needed]. Some of the dredge spoils were initially dumped in the bay shallows (including helping to create Treasure Island on the former shoals to the north of Yerba Buena Island) and used to raise an island in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta. The net effect of dredging has been to maintain a narrow deep channel—deeper perhaps than the original bay channel—through a much shallower bay. At the same time, most of the marsh areas have been filled or blocked off from the bay by dikes.
Note from asker:
very instructive reading. Thanks!
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