Sep 20, 2007 18:01
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French term

escalier technique

French to English Other Real Estate types/description of staircase
Si cet escalier n’est pas un ****** escalier technique ******, quels style, forme, matière aimeriez-vous lui donner ?

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A guide to choosing your new staircase: style, position, etc.

I guess, from the context that this isn't a main staircase that will express your style, etc, but am stumped to know what sort of staircase it might be (fire escape? loft ladder?...)

My trusty Collins Robert is, unusually, no help, and google has plenty of these in French, but, so far, no clues as to what it might be...

Thanks for any help!

Discussion

Emma Paulay Sep 21, 2007:
...in which case there's not much you can do with them.
Emma Paulay Sep 21, 2007:
Hi! My swimming pool link was intended to show the sense of built-in, cast-in, whatever. I don't think it's ironic. It's just saying that the type of stairs you choose can create an atmosphere or style, unless of course your stairs are built in.
AllegroTrans Sep 21, 2007:
My guess here is that they are referring to a range of rather decorative staircases that are not intended to be structural - probably not needing building consents etc. Hence the rider. Maybe for things like loft access...
Tony M Sep 20, 2007:
... I also instinctively feel that, however ironic they were trying to be, no FR writer would use that particular term in an ironic way. Just doesn't ring true to me...
Tony M Sep 20, 2007:
It seems to me that it would have to be VERY ironic indeed to stretch the meaning that far — a degree of irony that would be quite out of keeping with the style of the remainder of your extract. ...
Carol Gullidge (asker) Sep 20, 2007:
thanks, Tony - what you say makes perfect sense, but am still undecided about the intentions of the author. If he or she is being very ironic, then it could even be swimming-pool steps! (see Emma's link). Quite a dilemma...
Tony M Sep 20, 2007:
In the sense of a cast concrete one, for example, where the choice of style etc. would clearly be much more restircted!
Tony M Sep 20, 2007:
As I see it, they're being perfectly straight about it: if what you're looking for is something more than just a means of getting between floors, then you can choose from our wide range of styles etc... I suppose it might also mean 'structural' staircase
Carol Gullidge (asker) Sep 20, 2007:
Hi Melzie: the preceding para (but I don't know that it's much help)

Le choix d’implantation est donc également lié à votre état d’esprit général, lequel implique par ailleurs votre atmosphère. Country, design, classique, ethnique, l’aspect esthétique de l’escalier doit aussi être cohérent avec votre style de mobilier. On peut néanmoins prendre le parti de trancher avec un escalier épuré dans un style très classique par exemple, à condition de rester fidèle à vous même et d’assumer ce choix. recherche.

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So, the term could be being used ironically (which suits Sarah's answer) or straightforwardly (more Tony's style?)
Melzie Sep 20, 2007:
Could you give us the introductory sentence?

Proposed translations

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purely functional staircase

I am unaware of one single EN word that encompasses everything that the FR term embraces.

Possibly there is a specialist technical term for this, but I get the impression that your text is aimed more at the general public, so I think a simpler way of expressing it would probably be most appropriate.
Note from asker:
phew!!! right button this time...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This is probably the safest bet, although I'd still like to wait for confirmation before actually glossing this question. It's still just possible that irony is being used here, which opens up the possibilities horribly. Thanks a lot Tony!"
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structural staircase

i.e. load-bearing etc. etc.
Note from asker:
thanks, Allegro!
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built-in staircase

I wonder if it doesn't mean the sort of staircase you see on the outside of Greek houses. It's part of the structure of the house, so you can't give it any particular form or style. the word "sceller" in this link for swimming pool steps made me think of a built-in staircase...Just a thought!
Note from asker:
thanks for the link! It's similar to some I'd already found - which left me flummoxed! I'm beginning to wonder whether the author isn't perhaps being very ironic indeed... hmmm!
thanks, Emma!
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If this is also a staircase for esthetic reasons

Hello,

I think that this has to do with staircase that's being built for esthetic reasons as well as functional reasons. In order words, it's not being built just to serve as staircase (to get you from point A to point B). This person is interested in the beauty/artistic aspect of it as well.

By the way, I think "also" is imperative in the translation. Why? Because I presume the staircase is to serve two purposes.

Example:

furniture for non-esthetic reason (just to be used to lie on/comfort)

I hope this helps.

Note from asker:
thanks, Matthew!
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service staircase

My interpretation is that this is the staircase usually located in the rear of the house near the kitchen. It leads down to the basement or provides another access to upper levels. In older, grander homes, this would have been the staircase used by the staff.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-09-20 23:07:39 GMT)
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In light of everyone thinking I was being ironic (!), I’ve just re-read the sentence and noticed for the first time the two key words “lui donner”. (Oops! No wonder! Obviously I’m more jetlagged than I thought.) No, “service staircase” wouldn’t do at all in this context. Do you think it could be rephrased along the lines of, “If you were able to design your own staircase, what style and material would you choose?”
Note from asker:
thanks, Sarah!
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : That's just ONE of the many possibilities covered by the FR term... / It's just that so few houses actually have a service staircase these days, it seems a bit too restrictive...
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True. Maybe I'm too used to the grand homes of San Francisco! (Not that I live in one, mind you.) Service staircases are v common in such homes, and many of the new houses being built in the US are much bigger than yr avge Wimpey home, so come with a ssc.
agree Tzveta Valentinova
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Thank you, Tzveta.
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