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RHELLER
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Jul 4, 2005

"When you have robbed a man of everything, he is no longer in your power. He is free again. "
Alexander Solzhenitsyn

"Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes."
Mahatma Gandhi (Indian Philosopher, internationally esteemed for his doctrine of nonviolent protest, 1869-1948)

"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better."
Albert Camus (French Novelist, Essayist and Playwright, 1957 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1913-1960)

"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"
George Orwell (English Novelist and Essayist, 1903-1950)


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Lydia Molea  Identity Verified
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Thank you! Jul 4, 2005

I love good quotes

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PAS  Identity Verified
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Similarities Jul 4, 2005

How close to Solzhenytsyn's quote are Kris Kristofferson's words in the song "Me and Bobby McGee":

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

Pawel Skalinski


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RHELLER
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"nothing left to lose" Jul 4, 2005

hi Lydia!
hi PAS

re: Kris Kristofferson's lyrics
I see your point. Big difference, though.
One is voluntary, the other is involuntary.


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Voluntary and involuntary Jul 4, 2005

Well... It was a quick association. I wouldn't really compare Solzhenytsyn and Kristofferson on the same level, but the latter doesn't really mention the cause, just the effect.
The former, by reason of the reality he lived in, uses the word "robbed" directly.

P.


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RHELLER
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slightly off this topic Jul 4, 2005

I understand that you are not putting them on the same level. Here is a little more information (for anyone who might be interested).

Actually, Kristofferson is referring to a very specific phenomenon (clear to people at the time). Yes, I was there.

That song was written around 1970 - the Hippy period. Hippies voluntarily freed themselves of possessions in order to pursue total freedom.


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craigs
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George Orwell is a favorite of mine. Jul 5, 2005

Does anyone know of any translations of 1984, or any others of his works?

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xxxsarahl
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My all-time favorite Jul 5, 2005

Let freedom ring.

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Orwell etc. Jul 5, 2005

Rita:
you are quite right, but somehow I never perceived that line as voluntary giving up of possessions, despite that the rest of the lyrics are just about that.
Maybe it's because of the way Janis Joplin sings it (I haven't heard KK sing it) - there is some sort of desperation in her voice...

Craig:
I am certain that Orwell's canon has been translated into more languages than you can imagine.
But look around the web for his other writings - he was a journalist possessed of quite a sharp pen.
I recently read a book about Polish pilots fighting in the RAF in the Battle of Britain. There is mention in the book of how Orwell was trying to make everyone see the deviousness and cruelty of Stalin, but his voice was lost in the midst of a general adulation for everything Russian at the time.

Pawel Skalinski


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Alfredo Tutino  Identity Verified
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si parva licet componere magnis... Jul 5, 2005

I'd like to add one of my own:

freedom is other people's right to do something I dislike



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xxxsarahl
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One more definition of freedom Jul 8, 2005

I for one firmly believe in the first amendment.

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Dear willmatter Jul 8, 2005

Recently, after a problem in another forum, Proz.com decided not to allow celebrations of national holidays any more. This is what I explained to those who took advantage of this topic to congratulate each other for July Fourth.

This thread about freedom quotes can stay here as long as all those who post in it follow Proz.com rules.

Thanks for your understanding.

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