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Tom in London
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It all depends Oct 26

Chris S wrote:

Why is it acceptable, both on this site and in real life, to air offensive views but not to use offensive language?

Why are four-letter words not also covered by freedom of speech?


It all depends on what kind of language you find offensive. I find bad grammar offensive. In fact I find it f****** offensive.


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Good point! Oct 26

Chris S wrote:

Why is it acceptable, both on this site and in real life, to air offensive views but not to use offensive language?

Why are four-letter words not also covered by freedom of speech?


Using offensive language both on virtual or real life only alter our behaviour and it harm us badly.
We lose respect for ourselves if we go in that direction. We can be absolutely right about something but when we use bad language, we lose that.
In a private setting, when we are alone, I believe it is healthy to have our "Tourette moments" and say a few swear words.
In my humble opinion, offensive language in Romance languages are quite insulting, and I don't like to pronounce it or hear it.


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When in Florence.... Oct 27

expressisverbis wrote:

In my humble opinion, offensive language in Romance languages are quite insulting, and I don't like to pronounce it or hear it.


In that case you'd better never go to Florence or have a conversation with anyone from Florence. As any Italian from anywhere else will tell you, the Florentines are famous for their constant swearing, obscenity, and sacrilegious language, often made at the tops of their voices, e.g. shouting at someone in the street. In Florence, this is considered normal everyday conversation. I could give some examples here but I would probably be banned. Is "Madonna Puttana" acceptable?

[Edited at 2020-10-27 10:08 GMT]


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Well not in whole Italy Oct 27

Tom in London wrote:

In that case you'd better never go to Florence or have a conversation with anyone from Florence. As any Italian from anywhere else will tell you, the Florentines are famous for their constant swearing, obscenity, and sacrilegious language, often made at the tops of their voices, e.g. shouting at someone in the street. In Florence, this is considered normal everyday conversation. I could give some examples here but I would probably be banned. Is "Madonna Puttana" acceptable?

[Edited at 2020-10-27 10:08 GMT]


And I can assure you that a similar sentence is used in Spain. (with madre instead of madonna).

Also, shouting at someone in the street is not yet so generalized, even in Florence. May I ask when you were in Italy? Many things changed in the last years.

I am Italian


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Problem is Oct 27

expressisverbis wrote:
In my humble opinion, offensive language in Romance languages are quite insulting, and I don't like to pronounce it or hear it.



That I am under the impression that what is offensive for us (mediterranean people, you and me for example) is not offensive for British or in the sense of UK (just as an example). We have different views, but this is just my opinion.

@Tom, please forgive my possible mistakes if they offend you,

[Edited at 2020-10-27 17:16 GMT]


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My views Oct 27

Tom:
In case you don't know it, I am familiar with Italian language.
Not only because I studied it for a few months (unfortunately, I gave up), but also because I learned Latin, and I did Classical Studies.
So, I am used to the swearing, obscenity, and sacrilegious language, in particular, in Plautus.
Also, my native language also has several words with a similar sound and spelling as Italian.
Yes, when the pandemic ends, I will go to Florence and have a conversat
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Tom:
In case you don't know it, I am familiar with Italian language.
Not only because I studied it for a few months (unfortunately, I gave up), but also because I learned Latin, and I did Classical Studies.
So, I am used to the swearing, obscenity, and sacrilegious language, in particular, in Plautus.
Also, my native language also has several words with a similar sound and spelling as Italian.
Yes, when the pandemic ends, I will go to Florence and have a conversation with Italians using an offensive language that we will all understand... c******! (Meaning also "Carago", a less offensive interjection in Portuguese, with the equivalent in Italian starting also by a "C", I believe).

Angie:
The same in Portugal, but we don't use the usual "p*** madre" Spanish expression, we swear at her daughter and son, and I don't dare to write it here
Romance languages have a high number of swear words (at least in European Portuguese), and we use to shout them loud, too.
For these reasons, I believe many of us consider it quite offensive.
Forgive both me for my written examples of swear words.
(It doesn't hurt us badly when written, right?)

I think this new topic will be quite inspiring...

[Edited at 2020-10-27 12:58 GMT]
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Also in Italy Oct 27

expressisverbis wrote:


Angie:
The same in Portugal, but we don't use the usual "p*** madre" Spanish expression, we swear at her daughter and son, and I don't dare to write it here
Romance languages have a high number of swear words (at least in European Portuguese), and we use to shout them loud, too.
For these reasons, I believe many of us consider it quite offensive.
Forgive both me for my written examples of swear words.
(It doesn't hurt us badly when written, right?)

I think this new topic will be quite inspiring...

[Edited at 2020-10-27 12:58 GMT]


her daugther or son are preferred


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I was wondering ... Nov 2

... whether anyone knows if you can still get Aero bars in the UK? It would help me plan a visit.

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See here Nov 2

Mervyn Henderson wrote:

... whether anyone knows if you can still get Aero bars in the UK? It would help me plan a visit.


I forget to look when shopping, as I don't tend to buy things like that, but perhaps this link may help:

https://www.aerochocolate.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAiA-f78BRBbEiwATKRRBG5EbPT7w-aCEWC_8jrrE-t0-vM5Tm5bjZNF_2ht72bGWdPntXMmERoCZwQQAvD_BwE#


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That seems to clinch it Nov 2

Thanks, Rachel. It looks like I won't run short.

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Coffee Nov 2

I think I also need some chocolate to sweeten my day.
After what I read in a few threads today, the Coronavirus news, and my Mcafee installation is not working because some "nabo" from Fnac forgot to activate my card... I'm not sure if a bar of chocolate is enough.
I will make a coffee instead to continue bitter the rest of the day.


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Wagon Wheels Nov 2

There's been a change of criteria about our trip to the UK, and now I'm being asked if they still sell Wagon Wheels over there. Now, don't you bother this time, Rachel, you've done enough.

Surely there must be someone out there ...?


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Tycho Brahe day Nov 2

expressisverbis wrote:

I think I also need some chocolate to sweeten my day.
After what I read in a few threads today, the Coronavirus news, and my Mcafee installation is not working because some "nabo" from Fnac forgot to activate my card... I'm not sure if a bar of chocolate is enough.
I will make a coffee instead to continue bitter the rest of the day.


That's called a tychobrahesdag (Tycho Brahe day) in Danish. Tycho Brahe was a Danish astronomer, but this expression has no logical connection to his work.

Try some soothing music, for example Why Worry by Dire Straits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIZcokwxfQ
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/direstraits/whyworry.html

Or something silly, such as Rowan Atkinson interviewing Elton John – or should that have been John Elton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl0HqlbX7dc


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Coffee Nov 2

I'm sure your good self can act as a natural sweetener for that coffee, Exy.

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Thomas and Mervyn Nov 2

Thomas, many thanks!
I like Dire Straits! Beautiful song!!! You're right, I shouldn't worry about these things.
And Rowan Atkinson is the second comedian I like, the first one is Benny Hill.
Mervyn it's very kind of you, but I needed a double shot of sweets today in my coffee:
Some "Miel":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVavPbpejXw&list=RD
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Thomas, many thanks!
I like Dire Straits! Beautiful song!!! You're right, I shouldn't worry about these things.
And Rowan Atkinson is the second comedian I like, the first one is Benny Hill.
Mervyn it's very kind of you, but I needed a double shot of sweets today in my coffee:
Some "Miel":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVavPbpejXw&list=RD6o4NgSu5WvE&index=27
And a "Chocolat":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLYBYq0ql6k&list=RD6o4NgSu5WvE&index=2

Lyrics:
https://genius.com/Lartiste-miel-lyrics
https://paroles2chansons.lemonde.fr/paroles-lartiste/paroles-chocolat.html

(Thomas, do you understand French? I like to post things in English that everyone understands... By the way "ser um nabo" means "to be a blockhead". I used the word "nabo" and I haven't explained it. I'm sorry about this.)
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