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Thread poster: moondance

moondance
Italy
Local time: 19:55
English to Italian
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Aug 24, 2010

Hi everybody, my name is Valentina, I'm 23 years old and I'd like to ask you some suggestions regarding my future career. Last year I graduated in Translation and Interpreting (English and Spanish) in Padua; the course lasted three years and was very comprehensive, focusing on different fields and interpreting techniques (simultaneous, consecutive, chuchotage and liason). My intention is developing my skills and working in translation industry, no other job is so fascinating, challenging and demanding as translating and "playing" with words. I sent a lot of CV to Italian agencies to ask for an internship or a temporary position but they told me I haven't enough experience..If I want to grow up from a professional point of view and nobody gives me a chance, how can I do?! I also considered foreign opportunities. My dream is "experiencing" an American translation agency..living and working in the USA would make the difference in my career. I contacted a huge amount of agencies but, when I was offered an opportunity, this was not paid.
I want to learn directly on the field and I'm ready to test myself with challenging fields. I'm particularly keen on criminology and forensics..it's a real passion; so, I'm trying also to find some Italian or American agencies (or journals, associations, etc) that are mainly specialized into this field but is very difficult.I considered also the idea of attending a criminology or forensics course but, at the moment, I can't afford a foreign university.
I studied a lot, with care and passion, and I really love translating and interpreting..I feel that my career can only be that. Do you have suggestions in this regard? How can I do? I also found a Boston agency but unfortunately the internship wasn't paid, I had to give up the idea. Thank you very much and have a good work. Valentina.


 

Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:55
English to German
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US agencies are not allowed to pay you Aug 25, 2010

Due to immigration laws you need a work visa to be allowed to earn any money. The visa process is very expensive and it might take months or years to be approved. With a student visa you can enter the US without a problem - to pay you for your work however is illegal.

 

Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.)  Identity Verified
Thailand
Local time: 00:55
Member (2004)
English to Thai
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Internship in a university? Aug 25, 2010

moondance wrote:

I want to learn directly on the field and I'm ready to test myself with challenging fields. I'm particularly keen on criminology and forensics..it's a real passion; so, I'm trying also to find some Italian or American agencies (or journals, associations, etc) that are mainly specialized into this field but is very difficult.I considered also the idea of attending a criminology or forensics course but, at the moment, I can't afford a foreign university.
I studied a lot, with care and passion, and I really love translating and interpreting..I feel that my career can only be that. Do you have suggestions in this regard? How can I do? I also found a Boston agency but unfortunately the internship wasn't paid, I had to give up the idea. Thank you very much and have a good work.

I am not clear about US immigration law, but in general, internship as a course work on translation in US university should be permitted in educational purpose. You will be paid a small amount out of the university translation service projects. Please recheck with the institution you intend to attend.

Soonthon Lupkitaro


 

Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:55
English to German
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Sorry, as long as you are in the US you cannot be paid at all. Aug 25, 2010

Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.) wrote:

I am not clear about US immigration law, but in general, internship as a course work on translation in US university should be permitted in educational purpose. You will be paid a small amount out of the university translation service projects. Please recheck with the institution you intend to attend.

Soonthon Lupkitaro


There is no difference between large or small amounts.


 

moondance
Italy
Local time: 19:55
English to Italian
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TOPIC STARTER
Visa/ internship Aug 25, 2010

Thanks everybody. Yes, I know I have to find a worker who can sponsor me for the visa because the cost is very high; I was considering a course in the USA because criminology is more common rather than in Italy, but I don't have enough money to afford an American university.
With my degree, I presented two theses regarding gunshot wounds, ballistics and gunshot residue analysis..so, my intention is specializying myself in criminology or forensics, with a course or, better, on the field, working in a specific translation agency.
Sometimes, I found some of them offering me paid opportunities but the salary wsn't enough for living in the USA.
I have been searching for almost an year, and I'm getting more and more disappointed..now I'm working as a secretary but unfortunately it's not the career I imagined for me.


 

A. Bian  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 19:55
English to German
Off topic: Visa USA Aug 25, 2010

Via exchange programs students or recent graduates can obtain special visas that allow them to work in the US and earn money. These exchange organizations can issue J1 visas for up to 18 month.

You have to pay for that kind of visa (approx. 400 euros, in my case) but the procedure is nowhere near as complicated as obtaining a regular visa with a work permit (H3).

In can only provide a link to a German website:
http://www.auslandsjob.de/praktikum-usa.php

If you search for "work and travel" + "usa" though, I am sure you'll find corresponding programs for other countries.


 

Suzette Martin-Johnson
Canada
French to English
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Definitely go the student route Aug 25, 2010

Yes- there are lots of options for foreign students at US universities and/or students registered at foreign universities to work in the US or have perfectly paid legal internships. I have several foreign friends who came up to work on student work visas for the summer (J1???? I can't fully remember...) or those studying in the US who were allowed to work a certain amount of hours along with their study. There are also as I said several lucrative internships for the holidays. However, these are very competitive and you need to start looking one year in advance and not get discouraged so easily. Rome wasn't built in a day!!

 

Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.)  Identity Verified
Thailand
Local time: 00:55
Member (2004)
English to Thai
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Thanks Aug 25, 2010

islander1974 wrote:

Yes- there are lots of options for foreign students at US universities and/or students registered at foreign universities to work in the US or have perfectly paid legal internships. I have several foreign friends who came up to work on student work visas for the summer (J1???? I can't fully remember...) or those studying in the US who were allowed to work a certain amount of hours along with their study. There are also as I said several lucrative internships for the holidays. However, these are very competitive and you need to start looking one year in advance and not get discouraged so easily. Rome wasn't built in a day!!

Thank. I am hereby supported that student working in USA is not totally a crime.

Soonthon Lupkitaro


 

Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:55
English to German
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That's correct Aug 25, 2010

Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.) wrote:

Thank. I am hereby supported that student working in USA is not totally a crime.


And there are Work & Travel programms around - if there are any in this highly specific field I can't tell. However, paid internships and employment are not possible without a Social Security Number. Those laws came out last year or two years ago.


 

A. Bian  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 19:55
English to German
Work and Travel Aug 25, 2010

Work an Travel programs are usually not tied to a specific field.
As long as you fulfill certain conditions set by the exchange organization, you are free to pursue internships in any industry. It might help to mention this in your letter of application because otherwise companies will be reluctant to consider you, as they fear complicated and expensive visa procedures.

Under a J1 visa you can get a social security card.
However, the card clearly states that it is not valid for working purposes without the proper visa/work permit.


 

moondance
Italy
Local time: 19:55
English to Italian
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TOPIC STARTER
Work travel programs/ Visa Aug 25, 2010

Hi everbody, thank you very much for your answers.
I know there are these organizations but I saw that many times their cost is very expensive..and in many cases, when they offer an internship, this is for post-graduate students. I have a three year degree but I'd prefer to gain peractical experience on the filed rather than continuing to study..however my interest field is very specific, so I think I have to specialize myself in some way.
Regarding work and travel programs, do I have to be attending a post-graduate course, or to be admitted to an American university?
I also consulted the Federal website on immigration and I saw there is also the H1 visa for working


 

A. Bian  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 19:55
English to German
No courses necessary Aug 25, 2010

moondance wrote:
I know there are these organizations but I saw that many times their cost is very expensive..and in many cases, when they offer an internship, this is for post-graduate students.


These organization do not *offer* any internships, you'd still have to find the internship yourself. ***They only take care of the visa problem.
Yes, they do do cost money but they are more viable than other options. A company will only look into sponsoring your visa if they badly want/need you. Usually, that's not the case when it comes to interns.

The nice thing about the work and travel-type visas is that you don't have to involve the company into the visa procedures. In my experience, this way more companies will consider working with you.

moondance wrote:
Regarding work and travel programs, do I have to be attending a post-graduate course, or to be admitted to an American university?


Not as far as I know. It's called "work and travel" not "study, work and travel" icon_wink.gif
It all depends on the rules of the exchange organizations available in your country, though.

moondance wrote:
I also consulted the Federal website on immigration and I saw there is also the H1 visa for working


I don't have any experience with this type of visa.
Maybe someone else knows more?

*** edited: I just had another look and saw that some of them *are* offering internships. However, you can also find an internship that suits you and just obtain the visa through the organization. I think this will even reduce costs.

[Edited at 2010-08-25 22:42 GMT]


 

Williamson  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:55
Flemish to English
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Translation is not a specialisation Aug 26, 2010

The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. If a foreign worker in H-1B status quits or is dismissed from the sponsoring employer, the worker can apply for a change of status to another non-immigrant status, find another employer (subject to application for adjustment of status and/or change of visa), or must leave the US.
The regulations define a “specialty occupation” as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including, but not limited to, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, biotechnology, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum[2] (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability".)[3] Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer.

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Languages are not considered a "speciality occupation" requiring highly specialized knowledge. Most Americans don't even know what translation is, let alone interpreting.


 

Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:55
English to German
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Precisely. Aug 26, 2010

Williamson wrote:

The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. If a foreign worker in H-1B status quits or is dismissed from the sponsoring employer, the worker can apply for a change of status to another non-immigrant status, find another employer (subject to application for adjustment of status and/or change of visa), or must leave the US.
The regulations define a “specialty occupation” as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including, but not limited to, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, biotechnology, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum[2] (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability".)[3] Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer.

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Languages are not considered a "speciality occupation" requiring highly specialized knowledge. Most Americans don't even know what translation is, let alone interpreting.



Also, the employer has to prove than no other person in our country is qualified to do the job. I am often asked: "Say, I'd love to live and work in the US, can't you simply hire me?", and I have to disappoint them.


 

moondance
Italy
Local time: 19:55
English to Italian
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TOPIC STARTER
Organization/J1 Visa Aug 26, 2010

If I have to be considered only because I love the USA, I think I'd have already to be hiredicon_smile.gif.
I checked on the Internet but I saw that many of these programs, especially the "work and travel ones" are specifically thought for students..and in fact I'm not a student, I have a degree and I want to work.

I only made a general research, I found some specific organizations like http://www.ciee.org/ but they do'nt specify the cost or the period for obtaining the visa. According to this site, maybe I'm also available for professional training.

If someone of you knows some associations, organizations, or particular agencies that deal with criminology, could you suggest me some names?
Or maybe I can try with England, There I don't have the visa problem. Valentina.


 
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