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Jul 11, 2006 09:54
17 yrs ago
Russian term

Tolstaya Mogila

Russian to English Social Sciences History
Hallo,

I am translating a text on Scythia. I came across TM, I had a quick look at various sources, but I can't make out whether it is the name of a city/location or not. Does it mean something?
Many thanks.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 a burial hill
5 +2 a burial mound
5 +1 Товста Могила > Tovsta Mohyla
Change log

Jul 11, 2006 10:33: Kirill Semenov changed "Language pair" from "Ukrainian to English" to "Russian to English"

Jul 23, 2006 18:48: Kirill Semenov changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences" , "Field (specific)" from "Geography" to "History"

Discussion

kaydee (asker) Jul 11, 2006:
Yes, I agree that a transliteration would do - now that I know what this is about, I feel much more relaxed :-). Many many thanks to all of you for your help.
Natalie Jul 11, 2006:
Agree with Kirill: transliteration will be fine, otherwise nobody would guess what is it about :)
Kirill Semenov Jul 11, 2006:
The name of a site and a burial hill, yes (and very famous). Since it's a proper name, I would propose to just transliterate the name of the site, not to translate it literally.
kaydee (asker) Jul 11, 2006:
I am sorry, I forgot to explain: the text is in English, and I am translating into Greek. The names of three places appear together: Alexandropol, Chertomlyk and Tosltaya Mogila. From what you say, I gather that this is the name of the archaeological site, so to speak. I just wanted to make sure this is not some modern town. The problem, though, is that my text refers to the graves found at TM: would that make any sense, if translated in Russian or Ukrainian? or is it a tautology in a way?

Proposed translations

+2
4 mins
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a burial hill

ТОЛСТАЯ МОГИЛА, скифский курган 4 в. до нашей эры у города Орджоникидзе Днепропетровской области (Украина). Погребения с конями, золотые пектораль, обкладка ножен меча, украшения и др.
http://www.rubricon.com/ies_ann/..\ann\ies\20_t\20_t7940.asp

Literally, the name means "Fat Grave". By the wayk, it's Russian, not Ukrainian.

I think you just need to transliterate it as "Tolstaya Mogila" (Russian) or "Tovsta Mogyla" (Ukrainian).

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-07-11 11:39:09 GMT) Post-grading
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Last note: `Fat Grave' was not probably the right word - `Thick Grave' is better. It implies the hill is thick enough, and the buried remains lie deep. It does not matter in your case of transliteration, just to correct my awkward literal translation of the proper name. :)
Peer comment(s):
agree Natalie : :) // Well, most probably the asker is translating a Ukr. text where this name is spelled in Russian. Hard to say...///Hmm...looks like you are right :)
4 mins
do you think we should edit it as Russian>English? + I think the Asker translates from English, and met the name transliterated, so now the Asker want to know what it is.
agree Hania Pietrzyk
32 mins
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks again :-)"
+2
7 mins

a burial mound

Tolstaya Mogila (in Russian) or Tovsta Mogyla (in Ukrainian) is a burial mound near Ordzhonikidze city, Ukraine. It was very rich in various beautiful golden things, a golden pectoral among them: http://vm.kemsu.ru/en/skyth/skyth-pectoral.html
Peer comment(s):
agree Hania Pietrzyk
30 mins
Thanks!
agree Mikhail Kropotov : Mound is the right word here
9 hrs
Спасибо!
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+1
35 mins

Товста Могила > Tovsta Mohyla

I recomend you to search just "Tovsta Mohyla" (the right spelling!). The name is purely Ukrainian: there are many other toponyms of the kind in Ukraine (Babyna Mohyla. Tovstyi Lis, etc.). You need not to translate it or spell in Russian way, but it may be relevant to explain the meaning in brackets.

Image:Scithians Pectoral.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
4th-century BC Discovered in the kurgan "Tovsta Mohyla", Dnepropetrovsk region, Ukraine. From covers of the journal "Nauka i zhizn", september, 1971. ...
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Scithians_Pectoral.jpg

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Note added at 50 мин (2006-07-11 10:44:58 GMT)
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Ancient art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4th-century BC Discovered in the kurgan "Tovsta Mohyla", · Enlarge. Scythian pectoral. 4th-century BC Discovered in the kurgan "Tovsta Mohyla", ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arts_of_the_ancient_world
Peer comment(s):
agree Oleg Prots
1 hr
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