Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
causa astratta
English translation:
actual purpose
Added to glossary by
Dominic Currie
Jul 28, 2009 10:47
15 yrs ago
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Italian term
Italy
causa astratta
Italian to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
... l’accordo raggiunto attraverso l’incrocio degli ordini di negoziazione o attraverso la conclusione fuori mercato del negozio di trasferimento non è di per sé sufficiente a trasferire la titolarità delle azioni.
Affinché ciò accada, è necessario che all’obbligazione di trasferimento derivante dal primo contratto faccia seguito un secondo negozio, esecutivo del primo, la cui *causa astratta* è appunto la traslazione della titolarità.
This appears to be a legal concept (see link below) but I'm not sure how to translate it.
http://books.google.it/books?id=oMF_sky2mv4C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA6...
Affinché ciò accada, è necessario che all’obbligazione di trasferimento derivante dal primo contratto faccia seguito un secondo negozio, esecutivo del primo, la cui *causa astratta* è appunto la traslazione della titolarità.
This appears to be a legal concept (see link below) but I'm not sure how to translate it.
http://books.google.it/books?id=oMF_sky2mv4C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA6...
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | theoretical scope of the dealings |
Patricia Crotty
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| 4 | abstract/undisclosed/theoretical purpose |
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Proposed translations
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theoretical scope of the dealings
'causa' in terms of contractual relations is defined as 'funzione economico sociale'/'scopo pratico del negozio'
http://www.simone.it/newdiz/newdiz.php?action=view&id=227&in...
and astratto seems to mean that it doesn't regard the specifics of the dealings, but rather the fact that in the abstract, the contract is valid (per your link)
other ways to translate might be
non-concrete scope of the dealings/theoretical economi-social function of the dealings/act etc.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-07-28 15:34:54 GMT)
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Actually maybe the word 'theoretical' is ambiguous - just 'scope of the dealings' or 'actual scope of the dealings'
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2009-07-29 20:39:42 GMT)
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Hi Dominic, I think purpose would work perfectly well - my answer is just a kind of 'made up' rendering of what I understand the concept to be - I'm sure the actual terms could be improved on considerably!
http://www.simone.it/newdiz/newdiz.php?action=view&id=227&in...
and astratto seems to mean that it doesn't regard the specifics of the dealings, but rather the fact that in the abstract, the contract is valid (per your link)
other ways to translate might be
non-concrete scope of the dealings/theoretical economi-social function of the dealings/act etc.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-07-28 15:34:54 GMT)
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Actually maybe the word 'theoretical' is ambiguous - just 'scope of the dealings' or 'actual scope of the dealings'
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2009-07-29 20:39:42 GMT)
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Hi Dominic, I think purpose would work perfectly well - my answer is just a kind of 'made up' rendering of what I understand the concept to be - I'm sure the actual terms could be improved on considerably!
Note from asker:
| Hi Patricia. I've been thinking about this for a while now and wondered what you thought about "actual purpose" as opposed to "actual scope". Thanks, Dominic |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Hi Patricia, I've awarded the points to you because you're answers gave me the inspiration to come up with the solution I used i.e. "actual purpose". Thanks, Dominic"
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abstract/undisclosed/theoretical purpose
I like "purpose" very much. These are my proposals about "astratta".
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