“龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that "Dragon" should be written as "Loong")

hj58 wrote:

“部分外媒煞有介事地搞出一堆伪分析，不过是“逢中必反”的心态作祟。"

不是我说的

QHE wrote:

如此 “译 loong 之伎”......

可不是！而这周周折折的 “译 loong 之伎” 着实令人唏嘘：
反反复复兜兜转转——虽不按基本翻译准则，且明显欠缺基本中英语法，却沉浸自乐于曲解事实、凭空捏造、异想天开；但凡理屈便偷换概念，或断章取义、或歪曲异己之见，外加冷嘲热讽；每遇实质性论题便佯装未见、忽略不计、东拉西扯…… 几近恃傲鲜耻、走火入魔。

Phonetic transcription (also known as Phonetic script or Phonetic notation) is the visual representation of speech sounds (or phonetics) by means of symbols. The most common type of phonetic transcription uses a phonetic alphabet, such as the International Phonetic Alphabet.

hj58 wrote:

音标和音译，是两回事

“phonetic transcription”翻译成中文是“音标”。音标是用于标记语音的符号系统，特别是在学习语言时用来表示发音。

以下是“phonetic transcription”的几个用法示例：

The dictionary includes phonetic transcriptions for all the words.
这本字典包括了所有单词的音标。

Learning phonetic transcription can help improve your pronunciation.
学习音标可以帮助你改善发音。

The teacher wrote the phonetic transcription of the word on the board.
老师在黑板上写下了这个词的音标。

The phonetic transcription system used in this course is the International Phonetic Alphabet.
这门课程使用的音标系统是国际音标。

造句：I use phonetic transcription to guide my pronunciation when learning a new language.
解释：在学习新语言时，我使用音标来指导我的发音。

您还有其他关于这个词语的问题吗？

hj58 wrote:

“龙的传人”：侯德健唱出了中国人心有口无的话

……

文字就这么妙不可言，着笔一字之差，结果天壤之别。

Background
The song was written in late 1978 by Taiwanese songwriter Hou Dejian while still a student, initially as a protest against United States' official diplomatic recognition of People's Republic of China, a decision first announced on December 15, 1978.[3] The song was first recorded by Lee Chien-Fu while he was a second-year university student in Taiwan.[4] The song was released in 1980 and became highly successful in Taiwan as a nationalistic anthem.[5] It stayed top in the list of the most popular songs of Minsheng newspaper for fifteen weeks.[6]

Hou later emigrated to mainland China in 1983, where the song also became popular, and it was interpreted as a pan-Chinese call for unification.[3] It became at one time the most popular pop song ever released in China.[7] Hou however was surprised that the song was used as an expression of pro-PRC sentiment, and said: "You have totally misread my intention!"[8] In 1989, Hou supported the students during the Tiananmen Square protests. The song became popular with the protesters, and it was adopted as an anthem for the movement together with "The Internationale" and Cui Jian's "I Have Nothing".[3][9]

Hou was later expelled from China for his support of the protests, his song was nevertheless praised for its expression of patriotism in China and continued to be used in state broadcast and official occasions.[10] The song was promoted by both the governments of Taiwan and mainland China.[11] The song was chosen as one of the 100 patriotic songs by the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party in 2009.[12] It has been noted in its assertion of racial and cultural identity of Chineseness.[13][14]

hj58 wrote:

是得，我认为他说得对。loong 明明是民间在搞，你也知道外交部外文局都反对，评论者却说是国家行为，这是连基本事实都不知道，就在瞎评论。这不是逢中必反？

hj58 wrote:

牛津词典突然收入 Chinese dragon：黄鼠狼给鸡拜年
https://loong.cn/papers_2024_2_6.html

hj58 wrote:

“牛津词典突然收入 Chinese dragon 是黄鼠狼给鸡拜年？”

是的，这样，很多人就会反对 loong，接受折中的 Chinese dragon。但是，dragon 象征邪恶和混乱（牛津词典），Chinese dragon 还是邪恶和混乱。

ysun wrote:

2025年4月，《英汉大词典》第三版出版，其中明确指出：Dragon n. 1 龙：a fire-breathing dragon 喷火的龙 2 中国龙（亦作 Chinese dragon) …。换言之，中国龙 Chinese dragon 就是 Dragon。难道你还有疑问吗？



曾记否？2024年1月，“Chinese dragon” 被《牛津英语词典》纳入。实际上，这就意味着《牛津英语词典》拒绝纳入 loong 一词（我就不说该词被《牛津英语词典》判死刑了，因为太刺耳）。请注意，早在 2006年12月14日，wherestip 就在此论坛提出：Have they ever thought of just saying "The Chinese Dragon"? 我认为，他代表了许多 native English speakers 的想法和智慧。

可见，“译龙为 loong”的荒谬主张确实可以休矣！这种主张已经成了个大笑话！尽管某些人仍在顽固地坚持“译龙为 loong”的荒谬主张，还在不断地搜集“译龙为 loong”的例子，但那只不过是一地“鸡毛”而已！

hj58 wrote:

不是把龙译为 Chinese dragon 就是黄鼠狼给鸡拜年。

牛津词典长期坚持译龙为 dragon，拒绝改译龙为 loong（这无可厚非，毕竟编辑可以有自己的考虑），但是在 loong 被大量采纳时（这个时间点很诡异，当然，也可能是巧合），突然加入 Chinese dragon，看上去是把龙区别于 dragon（实际上仍然区别不了），但实际上是以此使持中间立场的人不再支持 loong。

“看上去是把龙区别于 dragon”——拜年。

“实际上使持中间立场的人不再支持 loong”——使坏。

所以我说牛津词典突然加入 Chinese dragon 是黄鼠狼给鸡拜年。

你回头看看你的回复，大多数都是纯粹的狡辩。

狡辩毫无意义，不能使大家更好地理解问题。

我觉得你的思辨水平很低。

ysun wrote:

你这些例句是从什么英语教材抄来的？够烂的！

hj58 wrote:

音标和音译，是两回事

“phonetic transcription”翻译成中文是“音标”。音标是用于标记语音的符号系统，特别是在学习语言时用来表示发音。

以下是“phonetic transcription”的几个用法示例：

The dictionary includes phonetic transcriptions for all the words.
这本字典包括了所有单词的音标。

Learning phonetic transcription can help improve your pronunciation.
学习音标可以帮助你改善发音。

The teacher wrote the phonetic transcription of the word on the board.
老师在黑板上写下了这个词的音标。

The phonetic transcription system used in this course is the International Phonetic Alphabet.
这门课程使用的音标系统是国际音标。

造句：I use phonetic transcription to guide my pronunciation when learning a new language.
解释：在学习新语言时，我使用音标来指导我的发音。

您还有其他关于这个词语的问题吗？