Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
noble vices
Persian (Farsi) translation:
رذایل فضیلت نما، رذایل فضیله
Added to glossary by
Ali Beikian
Oct 16, 2009 08:11
14 yrs ago
English term
noble vices
English to Persian (Farsi)
Art/Literary
Religion
Christianity
Greetings,
This is a concept from St. Augustine.
What he believed was that people who did not have the life-changing experience resulting from surrendering one’s life to Jesus Christ could have no real virtues, but only noble vices, i.e. bad points which nevertheless had a certain nobility about them.
I suppose a modern defender of St. Augustine would point to the lack of true democracy and human rights in non-western societies but also the large-scale wickedness in modern Western societies too.
The main example would probably be promiscuity, which often results in abortion, which many Christians see as murder, often perpetrated by non-believers with relatively benign intentions.
However, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call the wrong things done by believing Christians “base virtues”:)
All the best, and many thanks,
Simon
This is a concept from St. Augustine.
What he believed was that people who did not have the life-changing experience resulting from surrendering one’s life to Jesus Christ could have no real virtues, but only noble vices, i.e. bad points which nevertheless had a certain nobility about them.
I suppose a modern defender of St. Augustine would point to the lack of true democracy and human rights in non-western societies but also the large-scale wickedness in modern Western societies too.
The main example would probably be promiscuity, which often results in abortion, which many Christians see as murder, often perpetrated by non-believers with relatively benign intentions.
However, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call the wrong things done by believing Christians “base virtues”:)
All the best, and many thanks,
Simon
Proposed translations
(Persian (Farsi))
5 +1 | رذایل فضیلت نما، رذایل فضیله | Ali Beikian |
5 | گناه مقدس | Housein Bazoubandi |
5 | گناهان خوش ذات. کناهان خوش طینت. | kolya |
5 -1 | عیب، فسق یا خباثت اصیل | Habib Shariati |
4 | رذایل ناب | Farzad Akmali |
Change log
Oct 26, 2009 16:25: Ali Beikian Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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رذایل فضیلت نما، رذایل فضیله
"noble vices", as per your explanations, refer to majestic vices committed by the nobility. It is a very beautiful oxymoron!
If we are to keep the style as close to the source as possible, I recommend that "رذایل فضیله" be used.
Noble: grand and stately in appearance; majestic
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Note added at 8 hrs (2009-10-16 16:49:32 GMT)
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noble: grand or impressive especially in appearance
فضیلت نما
If we are to keep the style as close to the source as possible, I recommend that "رذایل فضیله" be used.
Noble: grand and stately in appearance; majestic
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Note added at 8 hrs (2009-10-16 16:49:32 GMT)
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noble: grand or impressive especially in appearance
فضیلت نما
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "many thanks excellent - please excuse the delay"
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23 mins
عیب، فسق یا خباثت اصیل
یک نوع مفهوم است
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
kolya
: what you wrote in farsi as عیب، فسق یا خباثت اصیلmeans a true betrayal or a cardinal sin
6 days
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Dear Kolya the above refers to bad points which nevertheless had a certain nobility about some one who is never gonna be corrected and as far as I know اصیل with such a combination as the above has such connotation as requested, thanks anyway
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4 hrs
گناه مقدس
نوعي پارادوكس است .رذيلت نژاده
40 mins
رذایل ناب
<rtl> رذایل ناب، منکرات ناب/عالی، مفاسد ناب</rtl>
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Note added at 4 days (2009-10-20 19:21:25 GMT)
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also:
رذایل اعلی
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Note added at 4 days (2009-10-20 19:21:25 GMT)
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also:
رذایل اعلی
6 days
گناهان خوش ذات. کناهان خوش طینت.
درسته که ایشان اصل عمل شان گناه حســاب میشه وغلطــه ولی با این کارشــون جلــوی هزار کمبود و مشکل ها و گناهان دیگر را گرفتند. من از کار و عمل ایشان دفاع نمی کنــم ولی با این کارشون مثل یک شیطنت کوچک جلوی هــزار پلیدی بزرگ و بد طینت دیگر را گرفت
یا به صورت.که درمقابله ومقایسه با گناهان بزرگ , و ستم های بیشمار حاکم ها پادشاهان ان زمان انگلیس. اعمال رابین هود هر چند دزدی حساب میشد ولی کاری انسانی و اصیل. سخاوتمندانه و هر جند گناه ولی گناهی خوش ذات به حساب میاید.
یا به صورت.که درمقابله ومقایسه با گناهان بزرگ , و ستم های بیشمار حاکم ها پادشاهان ان زمان انگلیس. اعمال رابین هود هر چند دزدی حساب میشد ولی کاری انسانی و اصیل. سخاوتمندانه و هر جند گناه ولی گناهی خوش ذات به حساب میاید.
Example sentence:
Ex; even though he was not a true believer, he had this certain charisma surrounding him if you will, that his deeds were of noble vices, he was not a low life. He had a certain certain touch. just like that of Robin Hood,
A legendary personality like Robin Hood, who stole from the rich to feed the poor, is a noble vice.
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