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Lomomba Ahmed
Jun 30, 2004 15:23
20 yrs ago
English term

Sihem Lahreche

Non-PRO English to Arabic Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Could you please write this name in Arabic:

Sihem Lahreche
Proposed translations (Arabic)
3 +6 سهام الأحرش
4 +2 سهام الحريش
5 سيهام لارتشي
3 +1 سيهِم لاهرِتشى

Discussion

Randa Farhat Jul 3, 2004:
however, these are very common and in particular in n.africa. they spell their names like that. this is similar to they very common spelling of mohamed or mohammed when it should be muhammad !
Randa Farhat Jul 3, 2004:
to Shog: and you said i only discussed the 'al' but you didn't notice how i typed on purpose 'lahmed' with 'e' and 'alahmad' with 'a' referring to the two points here: 'al' (misspelled as 'el' and 'la') and 'e' when it should be 'a'.
Randa Farhat Jul 3, 2004:
this is to Shog: as there is no other place to post this. did i ever say that a Saudi family name was not an Arab name?!! as for 'e' instead of 'a', it's a common misspelling, such as Ahmad & Ahmed. Lahreche thus is al-ahrach. Lahriche would be al-harich.
Non-ProZ.com Jun 30, 2004:
to Nesrin: no, I've no idea if he/she is a man or woman :)
Non-ProZ.com Jun 30, 2004:
Some context on this: a man is going to come here from Algeria and the company that invited him wants to write some sort of card or greeting card with his name in his native language. I assume it's Arabic as 85% of the population speaks Arabic (according to Google), but I might be wrong.
Aisha Maniar Jun 30, 2004:
This name appears to be transcribed in French and may well even be Arabic in origin. I suggest reposting this one as a French-Arabic question.

Proposed translations

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سهام الأحرش

As Aisha pointed out, this looks like the French transcription of an Arabic, most probably North African name. The French often transcribed the article "Al" simply as "L" especially when followed by a vowel. Like Al-Atrash الأطرش would be transcribed Latrache. I checked the existence of the name الأحرش (al-Ahrash) and apparently it does.

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Note added at 3 hrs 26 mins (2004-06-30 18:50:19 GMT)
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On the internet, I found the biography of an Algerian writer called نفيسة الأحرش (Nafissa Al-Ahrash) so that confirms that it is a North African/ Algerian name. During their occupation of Algeria, the French transcribed Arabic name to make them sound French. Ibn Abdullah was transformed into Binbilla, Abu Midyan into Boumedienne etc.

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Note added at 4 hrs 40 mins (2004-06-30 20:04:18 GMT)
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The asker has added a note that it\'s the name of an Algerian man. Can anyone confirm that the name سهام can be a man\'s name? Cause I only know it as a female name. Question to the asker: Are you sure it\'s a man?

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Note added at 21 hrs 48 mins (2004-07-01 13:12:10 GMT)
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Note to Shog - You will find so many examples of Algerian/ Moroccan names which start with ال but in Latin script are written L.. Look on the internet for the names \"Lahmar\" الأحمر, Lachkar (الأشقر), Latrache (الأطرش). Secondly, the asker wanted to know how that person would write her name in Arabic, so it\'s not about \"transcribing\" Lahreche but about finding out which Arab name was transcribed that way - and الأحرش is a name that exists in Algeria. Thirdly, the name may well be pronounced with a Kasra after the ر so that would justify the first \"e\" in الأحرش. And lastly,in French the letter \"e\" is NOT pronounced ي as in ريش (see the French word \"je\"). If the name was الحريش, the French would transcribe the ي as a \"i\"

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Note added at 1 day 18 hrs 10 mins (2004-07-02 09:34:00 GMT)
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Ok - I know this discussion has gone a bit too far, but just take a look at this site on Algerian history http://www.univ-jijel.dz/jijel/jijel-ar.htm
It talks of ثورة أحمد بن لحرش then on the following line replaces لحرش by الأحرش, which I think proves that both names are one and the same, but while the latter is the proper Arabic name, the former reflects the way it\'s actually pronounced. So I hope that ends the discussion on how الأ (Al-A) can turn into لَ (La).
Peer comment(s):
agree Stephen Franke
5 mins
agree Hussam Mohammad
48 mins
agree Aisha Maniar : agree with your transcription back into Arabic! however, the transcription is French is not to make the word appear "French" but to reflect the pronunciation in North African dialects. I too have only heard of "Siham" as a girl's name
2 hrs
Yes, that part of my comment of French transcriptions was not very accurate, I do agree with you. At least, they attempted to reflect the local pronunciation to the best of their knowledge.
agree Sam Shalalo
8 hrs
neutral Shog Imas : You can't pronounce الأ as "La". You should pronounce it as AL corresponding to " ال"
17 hrs
Sure, this is the theory, but in reality الأ is pronounced "La" in many regions of the Arab world. And as Aisha and I pointed out, the French wrote the names as they heard them, and in North Africa, this way of transcribing Arab names was often adopted.
agree Randa Farhat : spelled in N.African Arabic, سهام الأحرش , a common woman's name, unless this time a man's name. If it were الحريش the French spelling would've been Lahriche. algerian family الأحرش http://www.aljahidhiya.ass.dz/encyclop/mileffat/A_A/Nafisa_E...
18 hrs
Thanks Randa for the support! :-)
neutral Suzytrans (X) : You transcribe لأحرش (al-Ahrash). I think there is a big difference in French between the A and the E. It's Lahreche and not Lahrach or Latrach.
1 day 35 mins
Algerians don't always pronounce names/words the way they are pronounced in the Arab Mashreq or in Classical Arabic. You would find عماد written as Imed, مهدي as Mehdi etc. الأحرش may well be pronounced by the bearer of this name as Al-Ahresh/Lahreche
agree Abdelazim Abdelazim
1 day 16 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks! "
+1
15 mins

سيهِم لاهرِتشى

سيهِم لاهرِتشى
Peer comment(s):
agree Suzytrans (X) : الهريش
1 day 3 hrs
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32 mins

سيهام لارتشي

We translate the names as they written
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+2
9 hrs

سهام الحريش

سهام الحريش
جريدة الريــاض اليومية [Riyadh Daily Newspaper ...
... عزلاء بنت سعد بن مبارك البيشي، سهام بنت جنبان
بن ... هياء بنت سعد بن سعود الحريش، هديل بنت ...


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Note added at 2004-07-01 12:42:33 (GMT)
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Yes the French transcribed the article \"Al\". Then الأحرش would be transcribed (al-Ahrash). But here you should write it in Arabic and not in French. You should write the real Arabic name الحريش and not the transcribed الأحرش which would sound Lahrach with an \"A\" .

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Note added at 2004-07-01 12:57:56 (GMT)
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In French The \"e\" is pronouced ي as in ريش , so Lahreche written in arabic should have an \" ي\" in it.
Reference:

http://www.alriyadh-np.com/Contents/28-11-2002/Mainpage/LOCAL1_3612.php

Peer comment(s):
neutral Nesrin : It is unlikely that the article "Al" would be transcribed as "La", even by the French. The letter "A" is most probably part of the name. Also, the reference you provide contains the name of a Saudi family, it may not exist in Algeria. والله أعلم
8 hrs
It may exist !! Look at the pronunciation, you can't pronounce "La" as الأ
agree Suzytrans (X) : If it's really a French transcription, both of Lareche and Lariche are written as الحريش, but I am sure thatالأحرش is read as Al-Ahrach or Lahrach with an "A"
18 hrs
Yes, it's obvious you will not pronounce the first letter "Alef" so you pronounce Lahreche or even Lehreche, but you can't transcribe the second syllable and write Lahreche as Lahrache in Arabic.
neutral Randa Farhat : this might be al-harich (Lahriche in French), a Saudi family name. but this family is algerian with a different name al-ahrach (Lahreche in French). see link to family below. north african arabs pronounce "al" as "la", lahmed for alahmad, no first "a"
1 day 2 hrs
All your discussion is about the first syllable "al". But you have the second syllable "A" in the surname that you also want to transcribe. Why you don't read the name as it's simply written? And Is the Saudi family name not an Arabic name?
agree Abdelazim Abdelazim
1 day 10 hrs
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