Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
clam
English translation:
American clam/hard-shell clam
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roneill
Mar 30, 2005 01:50
19 yrs ago
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French term
clam
French to English
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Cooking / Culinary
Seafood
Hi again,
I'm still wrestling with my seafood menu. My problem is how to translate the word "clam" (as used in French) into English. I already have palourdes and praires on the same menu.
Here is the context:
Les Coquillages et Crustacés
Langoustines fraîches cuites (les 100g) 6,00 €
Tourteau frais (la pièce) 14,50 €
Crevettes roses (les 100g) 7,80 €
Moules d’Espagne (les six) 4,50 €
Praires ou palourdes (les six) 9,90 €
Clam (la pièce) 3,50 €
Bulots (la portion) 6,50 €
Crevettes grises (les 100g) 4,50 €
The irony is that I am allergic to shellfish, so am abysmally ignorant of the possibilities in English. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
I'm still wrestling with my seafood menu. My problem is how to translate the word "clam" (as used in French) into English. I already have palourdes and praires on the same menu.
Here is the context:
Les Coquillages et Crustacés
Langoustines fraîches cuites (les 100g) 6,00 €
Tourteau frais (la pièce) 14,50 €
Crevettes roses (les 100g) 7,80 €
Moules d’Espagne (les six) 4,50 €
Praires ou palourdes (les six) 9,90 €
Clam (la pièce) 3,50 €
Bulots (la portion) 6,50 €
Crevettes grises (les 100g) 4,50 €
The irony is that I am allergic to shellfish, so am abysmally ignorant of the possibilities in English. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Proposed translations
(English)
2 +2 | American clam |
David Goward
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4 +1 | clam (s) |
Anna Maria Augustine (X)
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5 | clam |
Pierre Renault
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4 | Geoduck |
emiledgar
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3 +1 | American clam |
Alison Gaunt
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1 | See comment below... |
Tony M
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Proposed translations
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3 hrs
Selected
American clam
...or hard shell clam, maybe.
According to www.coquillages.com:
"Coques et palourdes font partie des coquillages les plus répandus de nos rivages. Le clam, ou palourde américaine, a été introduit volontairement en 1910 dans les estuaires français".
Shellfish News, in an article of farming, mentions:
"Species tested included the New Zealand Bluff oyster, the Chilean
oyster, the Pacific oyster, the Portuguese oyster, the American hard shell clam, the European palourde, and the Chilean mussel".
It would seem therefore that clam = American or hard shell clam and palourde = palourde or European clam. Now the question is how to translate "praires" ;-)
According to www.coquillages.com:
"Coques et palourdes font partie des coquillages les plus répandus de nos rivages. Le clam, ou palourde américaine, a été introduit volontairement en 1910 dans les estuaires français".
Shellfish News, in an article of farming, mentions:
"Species tested included the New Zealand Bluff oyster, the Chilean
oyster, the Pacific oyster, the Portuguese oyster, the American hard shell clam, the European palourde, and the Chilean mussel".
It would seem therefore that clam = American or hard shell clam and palourde = palourde or European clam. Now the question is how to translate "praires" ;-)
Reference:
http://www.coquillages.com/home_setP.htm
http://www.cefas.co.uk/publications/shellfishnews/shellnews8.pdf
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "This is what I eventually used. The Latin name is mercenaria mercenaria, translated as American clam, hard-shell clam
or round clam"
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7 mins
clam (s)
Yuk!
sorry.
Er, I found it in harrap's
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Note added at 13 mins (2005-03-30 02:03:18 GMT)
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Don\'t know why it\'s the same but I would never eat them anyway (for all the tea in China)
sorry.
Er, I found it in harrap's
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Note added at 13 mins (2005-03-30 02:03:18 GMT)
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Don\'t know why it\'s the same but I would never eat them anyway (for all the tea in China)
55 mins
Geoduck
Geoduck (pronounced gooeyduck) is a very large edible clam (quite
delicious, by the way). Since you need to distinguish between palourdes, prairies, and clams, and from the price and the fact that they are listed a la piece, I would surmise that "calms" are large; geoduck is a possibility. The other way to go is to call palourdes
cherrystones, and prairies little necks.
delicious, by the way). Since you need to distinguish between palourdes, prairies, and clams, and from the price and the fact that they are listed a la piece, I would surmise that "calms" are large; geoduck is a possibility. The other way to go is to call palourdes
cherrystones, and prairies little necks.
1 hr
clam
"Clam" as a French word is meaningless. Its meaning varies from one town to the next... In my opinion, the correct French equivalent to "clam" is "coque", meaning a smallish whitish bivalve.
I come from a part of the Canadian Maritimes where the "French" speak in French with English nouns.
Never, *ever* would you hear someone from that area use "clam" in French rather than the correct term (i.e. anything but "clam").
For "praire", use "quahog" (pronounced ko-hog -- don't ask, I don't know why).
re "praire ou palourde"
The Canadian (North American) quahog is huge and kidney-shaped. Two of them are a meal. It would be impossible to write "praire ou palourde" on a Canadian menu: everyone would order the quahog and the restaurant would lose money...
I imagine the variety the restaurant serves (Icelandic?, Pacific?, small-neck?) might be smaller than ours which could explain "praire ou palourde".
For "palourdes" (a smallish dark-blue clam), use "soft-shelled clam" or "steamer clam".
For "clam", use "clam". Its just as non-specific.
Or ask your client what he/she means by "clam". Better yet, get them to serve you a bucketfull of them.
All in the interest of linguistic-scientific research, of course...
;)
P.
I come from a part of the Canadian Maritimes where the "French" speak in French with English nouns.
Never, *ever* would you hear someone from that area use "clam" in French rather than the correct term (i.e. anything but "clam").
For "praire", use "quahog" (pronounced ko-hog -- don't ask, I don't know why).
re "praire ou palourde"
The Canadian (North American) quahog is huge and kidney-shaped. Two of them are a meal. It would be impossible to write "praire ou palourde" on a Canadian menu: everyone would order the quahog and the restaurant would lose money...
I imagine the variety the restaurant serves (Icelandic?, Pacific?, small-neck?) might be smaller than ours which could explain "praire ou palourde".
For "palourdes" (a smallish dark-blue clam), use "soft-shelled clam" or "steamer clam".
For "clam", use "clam". Its just as non-specific.
Or ask your client what he/she means by "clam". Better yet, get them to serve you a bucketfull of them.
All in the interest of linguistic-scientific research, of course...
;)
P.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: My experience suggests that European usage is quite different from this // Sorry, I was really talking about 'palourde', which over here is small; I agree that 'clam' is a much-abused term!
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My experience is that usage (European and otherwise) of the word "clam" is French can refer to anything. What it refers to depends on who you ask.
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12 hrs
American clam
Is the asker in Europe? According to the site below, 'clam' in French is the American clam introduced artificially into France... 'Palourde' seems to be the generic term for any clam (I'm looking at bilingual Canadian tin of 'whole baby clams'/'petites palourdes entières'. Might 'praire' be a 'giant clam'? I found one, but only one N. American recipe which included 'French praires'.
BTW Dusty's scallop isn't right, I think. Scallops have a totally different shell pattern from clams (according to the picture on my tin!)
I'm no expert on this, though...
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whoops - just noticed the €, so we are obviously in Europe..! So unless the shellfish come from N.America (unlikely), I think specifically N.American names (e.g. quahog) should be avoided if possible, as they wouldn\'t mean anything to a European.
BTW Dusty's scallop isn't right, I think. Scallops have a totally different shell pattern from clams (according to the picture on my tin!)
I'm no expert on this, though...
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Note added at 12 hrs 49 mins (2005-03-30 14:39:25 GMT)
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whoops - just noticed the €, so we are obviously in Europe..! So unless the shellfish come from N.America (unlikely), I think specifically N.American names (e.g. quahog) should be avoided if possible, as they wouldn\'t mean anything to a European.
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Tony M
: Yes, you're right, that scallop idea was just silly; but I think you're right about 'American clam', and also about sticking to European terms...
1 day 5 hrs
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5 hrs
See comment below...
It seems odd, but I wonder if they might be referring to 'conventional' coquilles St Jacques, which are sometimes large enough to be sold 'each' --- so how about 'scallop'? At least, that might give you another word in the repertoire!
I think David is probably right with his 'American clam'
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Note added at 5 hrs 39 mins (2005-03-30 07:29:16 GMT)
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This ref. suggests prairie clam (aka warty Venus) [photo] and I\'ve found Manilla clam for palourde
http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?id=33173&catitemi...
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Note added at 5 hrs 43 mins (2005-03-30 07:33:02 GMT)
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This led me via German to this ref. that seems to confirm exactly what a palourde is:
http://home.tallships.ca/dPTranslations/dPBayQuahogPh.html
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Note added at 5 hrs 45 mins (2005-03-30 07:35:32 GMT)
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This ref. lists all the types mentioned as distinct items:
http://www.fishroute.com/fructimar/products.htm
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Note added at 5 hrs 47 mins (2005-03-30 07:37:29 GMT)
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And finally, this references gives the 3 French terms with their Latin names:
http://www.portlarochelle.com/reglementation-peche-tailles.p...
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Note added at 1 day 18 hrs 13 mins (2005-03-31 20:03:51 GMT)
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As Alison has so sensibly pointed out, of course my initial scallop idea was way off the mark.
But I hope the various references above give a few clues as to European terminology in this field...
I think David is probably right with his 'American clam'
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Note added at 5 hrs 39 mins (2005-03-30 07:29:16 GMT)
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This ref. suggests prairie clam (aka warty Venus) [photo] and I\'ve found Manilla clam for palourde
http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?id=33173&catitemi...
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Note added at 5 hrs 43 mins (2005-03-30 07:33:02 GMT)
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This led me via German to this ref. that seems to confirm exactly what a palourde is:
http://home.tallships.ca/dPTranslations/dPBayQuahogPh.html
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Note added at 5 hrs 45 mins (2005-03-30 07:35:32 GMT)
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This ref. lists all the types mentioned as distinct items:
http://www.fishroute.com/fructimar/products.htm
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Note added at 5 hrs 47 mins (2005-03-30 07:37:29 GMT)
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And finally, this references gives the 3 French terms with their Latin names:
http://www.portlarochelle.com/reglementation-peche-tailles.p...
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Note added at 1 day 18 hrs 13 mins (2005-03-31 20:03:51 GMT)
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As Alison has so sensibly pointed out, of course my initial scallop idea was way off the mark.
But I hope the various references above give a few clues as to European terminology in this field...
Discussion
"Clam" as used in French seems to designate a larger bi-valve.