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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

condamnés à la dégradation civique

English translation:

those who have lost their civic rights

Added to glossary by Yvonne Gallagher
    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2011-06-14 02:54:13 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Jun 10, 2011 20:33
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French term

condamnés à la dégradation civique

French to English Law/Patents Law (general)
" Les condamnés à la dégradation civique ne peuvent être entendus comme témoins mais seulement pour donner de simples renseignements."

Are we talking about persons sentenced to "civil damages" here?

Thanks in advance!

FULL CONTEXT:

Section 3 : Des personnes dont le témoignage ne peut être reçu.

Article 50

La partie civile ne peut être entendue en témoignage.

Les condamnés à la dégradation civique ne peuvent être entendus comme témoins mais seulement pour donner de simples renseignements.

Le dénonciateur, qu’il ait agi de sa propre initiative ou en vertu d’une obligation légale, peut être entendu en témoignage, mais le président doit faire connaître sa qualité.

S’il s’agit d’un dénonciateur récompensé pécuniairement par la loi, les parties ou le ministère public peuvent s’opposer à son audition.
Proposed translations (English)
4 those who have lost their civil rights
4 sentence to loss of civic rights
4 -2 those sentenced to the loss of civil rights
Change log

Jun 14, 2011 21:52: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry

Discussion

Jack Dunwell Jun 12, 2011:
Yes Allegro Agreed. As Bridge.
Yvonne Gallagher Jun 11, 2011:
think we're looking at different time frames here! they HAVE ALREADY lost their rights (in the past because of a PAST conviction) so NOW they can't be witnesses
AllegroTrans Jun 11, 2011:
What the text says is that persons who have been sentenced to lose their civic rights cannot be heard as witnesses in the present trial (they may only informally provide information) - so in that respect is about previous convictions of the witnesses
Yvonne Gallagher Jun 11, 2011:
Allegro, to me this is about their right or not to act as witnesses in the PRESENT trial NOT about their previous conviction or why they've lost their rights
sporran Jun 11, 2011:
Agree with AllegroTrans
Simagu (asker) Jun 11, 2011:
@gallagy2

Thank you. I am new to this forum and am still trying to figure out a few things. I will indeed make the change if your answer is selected, but the selection doesn't seem to be up to me anymore.
AllegroTrans Jun 11, 2011:
@ Gallagy2 Surely this is about "those (who have been) sentenced to loss of civic rights" so apart from a missing "d" jml's answer is correct, no?
Yvonne Gallagher Jun 11, 2011:
Hi Simagru, I checked again and really there are examples of "Civil" as well! If my answer is selected then the word can be changed when putting it in the Glossary
Simagu (asker) Jun 11, 2011:
Thank you for that important distinction!

I have changed my translation to "those who have lost their civic rights" but I do not know how to make any changes on this board.
Yvonne Gallagher Jun 11, 2011:
@Allegro
yes, accept it's probably better as "civic" and will change if selected but other answers are incorrect. These people cannot act as witnesses because of PAST convictions, i.e. they've already lost their CIVIC rightsl
AllegroTrans Jun 11, 2011:
Asker This is definitely about CIVIC rights; no Court can order the loss of Civil Rights, that would be a complete contradiction - you need to change your selection of answer here
sporran Jun 11, 2011:
They are talking about loss of CIVIC rights here, surely? I.e, the usual rights of a citizen, like the right to vote, the right to run a business, etc. CIVIL rights are not quite the same thing.

Proposed translations

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those who have lost their civil rights

i.e because of conviction/misdemeanour have had their rights forfeited (eg to vote and here, in this context, to be heard as witness)

In Florida, a past felony conviction usually means loss of civil rights, ... Loss of civil rights takes away not only the right to vote, but also the right ...
www.aclufl.org › Our Issues - Cached - Similar

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-06-11 14:52:29 GMT)
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Because these people were convicted previously, they lost their CIVIC rights including the right to act as witness. They can go to court and give testimony but will not be treated as witnesses

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-06-11 14:58:50 GMT)
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NOT SO SURE Allegro is correct. Lots of examples of loss of civil rights as well!

2 See the excellent article by Alexander Holtzoff, "Loss of Civil Rights by Conviction of Crime," Federal Probation, Vol. 6, p. 18 (Apr.-June, 1942). ...
www.jstor.org/stable/1950517 - Similar

10 Aug 2001 ... (KudoZ) French to English translation of Decheances de droits civils: Loss of civil rights [Law/Patents].
www.proz.com › KudoZ home › French to English › Law/Patents - Cached

Arrested on 28 October 2003 for posting articles on the Internet advocating democracy and respect for human rights, Du was also sentenced to loss of civic ...
www.asianresearch.org/articles/2151.html - Cached


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Note added at 4 days (2011-06-14 21:53:53 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to help and have changed glossary entry to "civic" rights
Note from asker:
Makes perfect sense, thank you!
Peer comment(s):
agree MSA-Translation
2 hrs
many thanks MSA-T!Enjoy weekend!
disagree AllegroTrans : Sorry G2, but you have mistranslated: civique=civic and civil=civil
13 hrs
yes, AT oops!! it's possibly better as civic, will change it if selected. Lots of examples of "civil" being used as well when I doublechecked. Nothing to do with "being sentenced to" as others have
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sentence to loss of civic rights

if you are sentenced of a felony you may lose the riht to vote, own a firearm etc.

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Note added at 13 mins (2011-06-10 20:47:36 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_rights_due_to_felony_co...
Note from asker:
Thank you!
Peer comment(s):
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : sorry but not "sentence to "as they've already lost their rights
18 hrs
first you are convicted, then you are sentenced
agree AllegroTrans : "those sentenceD"
18 hrs
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2 hrs

those sentenced to the loss of civil rights

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Note from asker:
thank you!
Peer comment(s):
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : sorry but not "sentenced to" as they've already lost their CIVIC rights because of previous conviction
15 hrs
disagree AllegroTrans : it's about CIVIC rights, quite a different thing
16 hrs
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