Mar 23, 2009 10:54
15 yrs ago
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French term

incombe

Non-PRO French to English Bus/Financial General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
"Le but n’est pas de soutenir que la faute incombe à Voltaire le mal contrôlé ou à Rousseau le mal contrôlant..."

Sentence then continues (this is not the problem, context only)
...mais, en comprenant mieux les causes, d’apporter un meilleur traitement et de prévenir la répétition de certains maux"

I have a problem with the correct meaning of this whole expression.

Context: from a book about the financial crisis. A discussion about who is responsible. Finger-pointing is not what the writer wants to do, nor does the author aim to talk down each party's individual responsibility.

Please your thoughts, suggestions on this phrase. In a translation I wouldn't use the typical French references to Voltaire and Rousseau, probably just "one and the other". But le mal controlé and controlant is also enigmatic to me.
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Mar 23, 2009 15:35: Francis Marche changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): writeaway, David Goward, Francis Marche

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Discussion

Marc Van Gastel (asker) Mar 24, 2009:
Rousseau / Voltaire It would be interesting to see someone elaborate, what I remember is that Rousseau was in awe for nature, including his romantic view of tribal people, while Voltaire was more about the educated, sophisticated man, admirer of reason. In that sense they had opposing ideas of evil I suppose, one of man controlled by, and of man controlling evil.
MatthewLaSon Mar 23, 2009:
mal contrôlé/mal contrôlant I'm not sure what they mean. Could it be that Voltaire thought that bad things could be controlled, while Rousseau thought that they couldn't be?<BR><BR>mal contrôlé =evil controlled (evil can be controlled?)<BR>mal contrôlant = evil/bad things are in charge and cannot be controlled (controlling evil)

Proposed translations

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lies with

"that the fault lies with ...."

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q="fault lies with"&met...

A number of interesting examples relating to the economy on the first page of hits.
Peer comment(s):

agree lundy
9 mins
Thanks!
agree B D Finch
31 mins
Thank you.
agree suezen
32 mins
Thanks!
agree Bourth (X) : Works smoothly here.
34 mins
Thanks, smooth-meister ;-)
agree Anne Girardeau
36 mins
Thanks, Anne.
agree Charles Hawtrey (X) : Simplest way of expressing it, which is always the best approach in EN, IMHO.
38 mins
Thank you, Charles.
agree Emma Paulay : Lovely jubbly!
48 mins
Thanks, Emma!
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks a lot for your help. Would have liked to know more about the Rousseau/Voltaire thing."
+1
4 mins

responsibility / fault / or consequences are attributed to Voltaire

used when you want to put the responsibility on somebody else rather than on th obvious.
Peer comment(s):

agree Philippa Smith
10 mins
Thank you Philippa.
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+1
6 mins

incomber= to be reckoned to ;to be attributed to

lt. dico, in this context I wouod say something like: the faut does not lie with Voltaire... or with Rousseau
cannot be attributed to Voltaire/ Rousseau

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-03-23 12:10:41 GMT)
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lies with would be another option
Peer comment(s):

agree Bourth (X) : "Lies with". You said it first!
38 mins
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