French term
United Kingdom
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, English to French, Portuguese to English, and 5 more.
pour la première fois à l'instant même
Le loyer principal mensuel à la date de prise d'effet du bail est de 1877,00 € (Mille huit cent soixante-dix sept euros) hors charges payable par terme d'avance, le premier jour ouvrable du terme et pour la première fois à l'instant même pour la période à courir jusqu'à la fin du terme de prise d'effet du bail.
I don't understand what it's saying about for the first time at the same time? I can't get my head round the second half of this clause at all.
Thanks so much for any help.
| 3 +8 | immediately |
Marco Solinas
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| 4 | payable .... thereupon, starting for the first time, |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 | Forthwith |
Andrew Bramhall
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| 4 | for the first time, contemporaneously herewith, |
Eliza Hall
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Accurate, professional translations
Native in: English , Italian
Works in: Italian to English, French to English
immediately
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Jennifer Levey
: Yes - where 'right now' refers to the date of signing the contract.
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AllegroTrans
: Yes, "for the first time" (i.e. the first rent payment) - payable immediately
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Katarina Peters
1 hr
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philgoddard
1 hr
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Saeed Najmi
9 hrs
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Andrew Paul Kennett
: Yes because as soon as the contract is signed, the first payment is due immediately so as to honour the contract.
13 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
13 hrs
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writeaway
1 day 15 hrs
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Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
payable .... thereupon, starting for the first time,
Perhaps turn round the construction to make it read more naturally in 'clear' Clarity English lawspeak.
Well done to anyone who picked up on a 'scintilla temporis' > 'die juristische Sekunde' alternative from a recent DEU/ENG ProZ question : payable for the first time in a 'scintilla temporis'....
This moment in time was described as the scintilla. temporis (the grant of the legal charge must necessarily have been executed after A received the fee. simple of the property
Il voudrait nous détruire à l'instant même si cela était possible. He would destroy us right now if that were possible.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-contracts/1641050-aux-présentes-et-à-linstant.html
United Kingdom
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Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Forthwith
"for the first time forthwith for the period up to the end of the term of the lease";
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AllegroTrans
: They both have exactly the same meaning and lawyers use them interchangeably
20 hrs
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Thank you!
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Adrian MM.
: like some earlier simplistic answers, you missed one half of the question. // Thank you!
13 days
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Up yours too.
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United States
Lawyer-Translator-Certified Interpreter
Native in: English (Variants: Irish, British, UK, US, Scottish, Canadian)
Works in: French to English, English to French
for the first time, contemporaneously herewith,
Examples:
"For the reasons stated in the Memorandum filed contemporaneously herewith, the Court hereby rules as follows..." https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/tennes...
..."they have entered into a Separation Agreement and Release of Claims ('Separation Agreement') contemporaneously herewith...": https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/contemporaneous-agreement
"WHEREAS, contemporaneously herewith, Parent, Seller, Secured Party and Brian Dick have entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement, pursuant to which Parent will acquire all of Seller’s membership interests in Company..." https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1442236/000119312513...
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