May 13, 2022 10:36
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French term
France
Technical Translator FR/ES --> EN
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
Créance d'aide ou d'assistance
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Inheritance; declaration of estate
Hi everyone,
I'm struggling to find a good way of conveying this in English. Can anyone help?
The whole sentence is "Créance d'aide ou d'assistance - Absence" and it's part of a declaration of estate.
For a bit more context, this is what follows:
Le(s) soussigné(s) déclare(nt) qu'il n'existe aucune créance à faire valoir à l'encontre de la succession ou de quiconque pour aide ou assistance à la personne décédée ou même enrichissement sans cause.
I currently have "Claims for monies paid out in aid or assistance" or perhaps "Claims for monies paid out in welfare benefits".
This is for a UK audience.
Many thanks in advance!
I'm struggling to find a good way of conveying this in English. Can anyone help?
The whole sentence is "Créance d'aide ou d'assistance - Absence" and it's part of a declaration of estate.
For a bit more context, this is what follows:
Le(s) soussigné(s) déclare(nt) qu'il n'existe aucune créance à faire valoir à l'encontre de la succession ou de quiconque pour aide ou assistance à la personne décédée ou même enrichissement sans cause.
I currently have "Claims for monies paid out in aid or assistance" or perhaps "Claims for monies paid out in welfare benefits".
This is for a UK audience.
Many thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
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| 2 +2 | any claim for support or assistance |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 +1 | Claims for monies paid out in aid or assistance |
AllegroTrans
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| 3 | Outstanding debts relating to aid or assistance |
ezpz
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Proposed translations
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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any claim for support or assistance
> backtrack to 'Demande d’aide et d’assistance'.
... à la personne décédée ou même enrichissement sans cause : against the deceased (AmE) decedent rather than any welfare organisation or child support agency, though (illegit) child support, private care and educational assistance may well be what's being referred to here > or even unjust enrichment.
BTW, dec. of estate looks like an inheritance tax account (prev. in the UK an Inland Revenue now HMRC account) or 'Affidavit' - howls of protest....
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Note added at 22 hrs (2022-05-14 09:30:21 GMT)
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Salut, Séverine. You can always post déclaration (fiscale) de succession inheritance tax as a separate question to add to the long list of mainly literal ProZ (and BTW UK-notarially acceptable) renderings, but this past ProZ glossary answer of 'inheritance (tax) return form' as a country-neutral offering vs. 'dec of estate' stands out to me :
return (form)as a https://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/12753410-décl...
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs (2022-05-14 15:41:27 GMT)
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'I see your howls of protest, but why?' Allegro Translations /AT usually protests that Affidavit is exclusive to Anglo-American Common Law. In England & Wales now, the term has been replaced by 'Statement of Truth' in some contexts, such as a sign-off to a Schedule of Court Exhibits.
'Do you dislike 'affidavits of heirship' too?' - No, but AT might.
... à la personne décédée ou même enrichissement sans cause : against the deceased (AmE) decedent rather than any welfare organisation or child support agency, though (illegit) child support, private care and educational assistance may well be what's being referred to here > or even unjust enrichment.
BTW, dec. of estate looks like an inheritance tax account (prev. in the UK an Inland Revenue now HMRC account) or 'Affidavit' - howls of protest....
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Note added at 22 hrs (2022-05-14 09:30:21 GMT)
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Salut, Séverine. You can always post déclaration (fiscale) de succession inheritance tax as a separate question to add to the long list of mainly literal ProZ (and BTW UK-notarially acceptable) renderings, but this past ProZ glossary answer of 'inheritance (tax) return form' as a country-neutral offering vs. 'dec of estate' stands out to me :
return (form)as a https://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/12753410-décl...
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs (2022-05-14 15:41:27 GMT)
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'I see your howls of protest, but why?' Allegro Translations /AT usually protests that Affidavit is exclusive to Anglo-American Common Law. In England & Wales now, the term has been replaced by 'Statement of Truth' in some contexts, such as a sign-off to a Schedule of Court Exhibits.
'Do you dislike 'affidavits of heirship' too?' - No, but AT might.
Example sentence:
You can claim for domestic care and assistance as part of a motor vehicle accident claim, public liability claim, medical negligence claim,
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Hi Adrian, Thanks for backtracking, the French exerpt you gave matches what I have. Having said that, all this comes from an inheritance tax declaration (Form No. 2705-S-SD), so I would have thought that I could use 'declaration of estate' unless you would like to correct me? As for 'affidavit', I see your howls of protest, but why? Do you dislike 'affidavits of heirship' too? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Daryo
1 day 14 hrs
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Lepo hvala, merci and thanks.
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| neutral |
Andrew Bramhall
: The " howls of protest" atem from Adrian's realisation that " affidavits" is a US legal concept , though understood elsewhere, such as here in Blighty.
1 day 20 hrs
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As I made clear, dec. of estate had not been part of this question. So your neutralisation of my affidavit discussion is pointless, whereas you might have alluded to the French vs. British tradition of providing for illegit. children.
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AllegroTrans
: What on earth have affidavits to do with this translation?? This is a simple "déclaration" in a document, not an affidavit and not "juré"
1 day 21 hrs
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As I made clear, dec. of estate had not been part of this question, but queried as an aside by me. So, like OT alias AB, & in the absence of any separately posted question, I agree that your anathema to affidavit is irrelevant.
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| agree |
ezpz
: this translation is simple and literal, and given the accounting rules on inheritance may vary according to jurisdiction, it is better to remain true to the word than our best attempt at a matching form entry
3 days 6 hrs
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Merci and thanks, ezpz.
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Comment: "Thanks, everyone for your input! This answer worked best for my document.
As @Daryo mentioned, I don't believe there's a need to add "monies owed" here. I think it's sufficiently clear given the context."
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Outstanding debts relating to aid or assistance
Outstanding claims / amounts owed / ...
I think if you just write claims alone it might be confused as claims made by this person, rather than claims made on them for payment.
I think if you just write claims alone it might be confused as claims made by this person, rather than claims made on them for payment.
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1 hr
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
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1362
Claims for monies paid out in aid or assistance
I think Séverine's own suggestion is fine
I see no risk of confusion - it means claims on the estate, they may not necessarily be outstanding debts, e.g. if the person died before payment was due
I see no risk of confusion - it means claims on the estate, they may not necessarily be outstanding debts, e.g. if the person died before payment was due
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: claims should be enough? It doesn't matter if it was already paid or not by s.o. else, what matters is that it's got to be ultimately paid from the estate.// "monies paid out in" is the part not needed + it might be in fact "owed" (yet to pay).
1 day 18 hrs
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surely "aid and assistance" has to be part of the translated phrase?
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| agree |
Conor McAuley
: A claim necessarily implies a future payment, so "to be paid out", also I prefer "help" to "aid", but "aide" is a nasty little word to translate.
3 days 1 hr
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Discussion
https://www.bellbuxton.co.uk/personal-services/wills--probat...
This is why, I think it's probably best to not guess the best match to UK Inheritance Laws, because these may be completely different than France, and to go with a simpler literal translation as Adrian suggests, which is both correct and remains technically ambiguous on the source of the debt.
2/2.
What sort of debts might an estate have, specifically regarding aid/assistance/social welfare?
Surely it can't be something the state has given as a loan to be repaid later.
If it were a non-social credit given by the state, it would not be worded like this.
Then I thought, maybe it might relate to welfare payments that are no longer appropriate since the person is dead. Specifically say pensions, unemployment or other social payments into their account that were received after they had died.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/death/the_deceaseds_es...
1/2
Strictly speaking, a payable is owed by a business (trade payables, etc.), but if what was being inherited was a company, then this word could be validly used.