Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
en huit pieds
English translation:
at eight-foot pitch
Added to glossary by
Nick Lingris
Aug 6, 2005 16:22
19 yrs ago
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French term
en huit pieds
French to English
Art/Literary
Music
Crumhorn, other woodwind instruments
"Il sonne, comme le basson, le serpent ou la basse de violon, en « huit pieds » mais avec une ampleur de
son comparable à celle des grands tuyaux d¹orgue."
An interesting article about the evolution of the cromhorne (Krummhorn) from the time of the Grand Siecle and related instruments like the oboe and bassoon.
Not sure what pieds should mean in this context, so thanks for any suggestions! :)
son comparable à celle des grands tuyaux d¹orgue."
An interesting article about the evolution of the cromhorne (Krummhorn) from the time of the Grand Siecle and related instruments like the oboe and bassoon.
Not sure what pieds should mean in this context, so thanks for any suggestions! :)
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | 8-foot register | Nick Lingris |
4 +1 | sounds at 8-foot pitch | Tony M |
2 -1 | range of an octave | French Foodie |
1 -1 | eight frets | Andrew Vdovin |
Proposed translations
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8-foot register
Most harpsichords generally have two or more sets of strings, and each set produces different tone qualities. A set of strings at normal pitch is called an 8-foot register. Another set of strings, which sounds an octave higher, is called a 4-foot register. Some modern harpsichords have a 16-foot register, which sounds an octave lower than normal, but this was extremely rare in old harpsichords. Two sets of 8-foot strings may produce different tone qualities because they are plucked at different points or with plectra of different material. Simpler forms of the harpsichord, the virginal and the spinet, have only one string to each note and to each key on the keyboard.
Le terme 8, 16 ou 4 pieds désigne la longueur du tuyau d’orgue, qu’actionne le premier do du clavier. Par extension, un registre de 8 pieds désigne le son fondamental qui est à l’unisson de la plupart des autres instruments. Le registre de 16 pieds sonne une octave plus bas que le 8 pieds, le registre de 4 pieds, une octave plus haut.
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Note added at 2 hrs 17 mins (2005-08-06 18:39:29 GMT)
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Sorry, Orla, forgot all about your text and *en* huit pieds.
Here\'s from the Britannica:
Two-manual harpsichords of this kind were invented at some point before 1620 in Flanders and gradually became known throughout the rest of Europe during the 17th century. These instruments commonly had three sets of strings, two unison sets *at normal pitch* (called *eight-foot pitch* because the low C at this pitch is produced by an organ pipe eight feet long) and a third set of shorter strings tuned an octave higher, or *at four-foot pitch*; this shorter set passed over its own bridge and was fastened to pins driven through the soundboard into a rail fixed to its underside.
Le terme 8, 16 ou 4 pieds désigne la longueur du tuyau d’orgue, qu’actionne le premier do du clavier. Par extension, un registre de 8 pieds désigne le son fondamental qui est à l’unisson de la plupart des autres instruments. Le registre de 16 pieds sonne une octave plus bas que le 8 pieds, le registre de 4 pieds, une octave plus haut.
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Note added at 2 hrs 17 mins (2005-08-06 18:39:29 GMT)
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Sorry, Orla, forgot all about your text and *en* huit pieds.
Here\'s from the Britannica:
Two-manual harpsichords of this kind were invented at some point before 1620 in Flanders and gradually became known throughout the rest of Europe during the 17th century. These instruments commonly had three sets of strings, two unison sets *at normal pitch* (called *eight-foot pitch* because the low C at this pitch is produced by an organ pipe eight feet long) and a third set of shorter strings tuned an octave higher, or *at four-foot pitch*; this shorter set passed over its own bridge and was fastened to pins driven through the soundboard into a rail fixed to its underside.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "brilliant - merci beaucoup! :)"
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range of an octave
Could this have something to do with it? An octave is 8 notes...
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/C/Cr/Crumhorn....
Crumhorns sound nothing like a (A brass musical instrument with a brilliant tone; has a narrow tube and a flared bell and is played by means of valves) trumpet, something like an (A slender double-reed instrument; a woodwind with a conical bore and a double-reed mouthpiece) oboe, and nothing like a (Small wild or domesticated web-footed broad-billed swimming bird usually having a depressed body and short legs) duck. They make a strong buzzing sound. ****They have a limited range, usually an (A rhythmic group of eight lines of verse) octave and one note,**** because it is not possible to get the reed to overblow at higher (A tone that is a component of a complex sound) harmonics, since the reed is not held in the mouth.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/C/Cr/Crumhorn....
Crumhorns sound nothing like a (A brass musical instrument with a brilliant tone; has a narrow tube and a flared bell and is played by means of valves) trumpet, something like an (A slender double-reed instrument; a woodwind with a conical bore and a double-reed mouthpiece) oboe, and nothing like a (Small wild or domesticated web-footed broad-billed swimming bird usually having a depressed body and short legs) duck. They make a strong buzzing sound. ****They have a limited range, usually an (A rhythmic group of eight lines of verse) octave and one note,**** because it is not possible to get the reed to overblow at higher (A tone that is a component of a complex sound) harmonics, since the reed is not held in the mouth.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: No, 8-foot has a quite specific meaning, see Nick's and my answers for explanation... // Thanks, Mara! Brainstorming is SUCH a vital part of the way KudoZ works, never stop it!!
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No problem. Just throwing out brainstorming ideas. Note my low c. level. But I knew we would find some crumhorn experts out there among us Prozians! :-)
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eight frets
Could it be eight frets? Each fret is a semi-tone, and eight semi-tones is less than an octave.
Peer comment(s):
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Bianca Jacobsohn
: If the cromhorne is related to the oboe and the basoon, can it even have frets (assuming that string instruments, and not wind instruments, have frets)?
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Yes, that was my blooper indeed.
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Tony M
: No, I am sure that the context here it is 8-foot
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Yes, noe I see you're right.
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sounds at 8-foot pitch
To make wind instruments shorter, they can be 'stopped' (e.g. organ pipes), which makes the same pipe speak lower by an octave than its natural length would suggest --- it would be said to play at 16-foot pitch.
The Krummhorn is not stopped, so sounds at its natural pitch (i.e. 8-foot) --- and this helps give its loud, prominent tone. There is even a faintly similar organ stop called a 'cromorne'
The Krummhorn is not stopped, so sounds at its natural pitch (i.e. 8-foot) --- and this helps give its loud, prominent tone. There is even a faintly similar organ stop called a 'cromorne'
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Oliver Walter
: It even mentions the organ in the same sentence. Yes, obviously 8-ft pitch. This organ has an 8-ft Krummhorn stop: http://www.buehlkirche.ch/orgel.htm
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Thanks, Oliver! That's a nice link, I do so miss my organ work, but I'm not familiar with German ones...
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