Oct 10, 2004 13:15
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Russian term
со свиным рылом -- да в калашный ряд
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есть в английском какая-нибудь присказка-поговорка, означающая, что кто-то суется куда ему не положено по социальному классу, происхождению или образованию? :)
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David Knowles
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Specialist in Civil Law & Contracts
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he doesn't know his place/station and sticks his nose/snout in where it's not wanted
Not so catchy, but it's the best I can think of!
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Jack Doughty
: I can't think of anything either. There was a verse of the children's hymn "All Things Bright and Beautiful" which is never sung nowadays: The rich man in his garden, the poor man at his gate: God made them high and lowly, and ordered their estate.
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SirReaL
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Alexander Onishko
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mk_lab
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Uly Marrero
: This is what it actually means — all the other "guesses" seem to refer to another situation altogether. I'd add "to stick one's nose where it doesn't belong."
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Yuri Smirnov
Native in Russian
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Daily Translation since 1992
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Russian term (edited):
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a pearl out of an oyster
Вот перевод из "Вишневого сада":
Мужичок... Отец мой, правда, мужик был, а я вот в белой жилетке, желтых башмаках. Со свиным рылом в калашный ряд...
My father was a
peasant, it's true, but here I am in a white waistcoat and yellow shoes . . . a pearl out of an oyster.
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Правда, несколько неожиданный поворот: больше похоже на \"гадкого утенка\", но так вот переводят.
Аж самому интересно стало. Счас поищу другие переводы...
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Да, вышеприведенный я нашел на http://www.blackmask.com
Мужичок... Отец мой, правда, мужик был, а я вот в белой жилетке, желтых башмаках. Со свиным рылом в калашный ряд...
My father was a
peasant, it's true, but here I am in a white waistcoat and yellow shoes . . . a pearl out of an oyster.
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Правда, несколько неожиданный поворот: больше похоже на \"гадкого утенка\", но так вот переводят.
Аж самому интересно стало. Счас поищу другие переводы...
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Да, вышеприведенный я нашел на http://www.blackmask.com
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David Knowles
: Interesting: I'd have put "a silk purse from a sow's ear"
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Olga B
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Спасибо
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Uly Marrero
: This seems to refer to another situatiion where someone tries to make something valuable out of something worthless.
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Russian term (edited):
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см ниже a proverb
Put not your hand between the bark and the tree
If you cannot bite never show your teeth-Не суйся в волки, когда хвост тёлкин.
If you cannot bite never show your teeth-Не суйся в волки, когда хвост тёлкин.
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Uly Marrero
: This looks like an attempt to paraphrase what one doesn't understand by pulling random idioms out of thin air. Either way, they don't seem to refer to the situation expressed by the original post.
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Mark Vaintroub
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Может быть по смыслу подойдет вот это..?.
Правда это про сверчка...
let not the cobbler go beyond his last
let the cobbler not go beyond his last)
Есть разные варианты порядка слов в этой фразе.
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Ну, не в прямом смысле, конечно, про сверчка...:-))
let not the cobbler go beyond his last
let the cobbler not go beyond his last)
Есть разные варианты порядка слов в этой фразе.
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Ну, не в прямом смысле, конечно, про сверчка...:-))
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Kirill Semenov
Ukraine
Ukraine
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Ukraine
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Russian term (edited):
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a square peg in a round hole
Довольно известная поговорка. Не знаю, правда, насколько она грубовато звучит.
А что такое "accidental person"? "Случайный человек"?
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a round pIg in a square den ;-)
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a pig among race horses... Так, мыслю. Может, есть какое-то сравнение в таком духе: \"свинья среди <благородных зверей>\" и т. п.
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\"a pig among pigeons\".
Будет еще отсылочка на cat among the pigeons. И легкая игра pig-pigeons.
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Или \"pig seller among silk traders\"
А что такое "accidental person"? "Случайный человек"?
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a round pIg in a square den ;-)
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Note added at 1 hr 6 mins (2004-10-10 14:21:26 GMT)
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a pig among race horses... Так, мыслю. Может, есть какое-то сравнение в таком духе: \"свинья среди <благородных зверей>\" и т. п.
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\"a pig among pigeons\".
Будет еще отсылочка на cat among the pigeons. И легкая игра pig-pigeons.
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Или \"pig seller among silk traders\"
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SirReaL
: I think it's rather about "not fitting in" without specifying the reason (low status). still a nice attempt
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Uly Marrero
: This refers rather to someone who feels out of place, like a fish out of water, doesn't fit in.
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Russian term (edited):
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stay on your own side of the fence
возможен такой вариант,
хотя, конечно, в данном контексте не очень подойдет.
хотя, конечно, в данном контексте не очень подойдет.
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6 hrs
Serge Vazhnenko
Ukraine
Ukraine
Native in Russian
Ukraine
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Russian term (edited):
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a pig in a bun shop
С кувшинным (суконным, свиным) рылом (да) в калашный ряд сунуться, переться и т.п.): A silk purse out of a sow's ear; a pig in a bun shop.
Source: Русско-английский фразеологический словарью - 3-е изд., стереотип. - М.: Рус. яз., 2001. - 705с. ISBN 5-200-02916-3
Source: Русско-английский фразеологический словарью - 3-е изд., стереотип. - М.: Рус. яз., 2001. - 705с. ISBN 5-200-02916-3
Discussion
Each social stratum had its own proverbs and sayings, often unknown to people from other strata. For example, the elite would call somebody who doesn�t know his place �an accidental person� or used the original French phrase "l�homme d�occasion", while a merchant would say something along the lines of �a pig�s place is in the meat row, not at the baker�s stall�.
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