“龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that "Dragon" should be written as "Loong")

hj58 wrote:



既然如此，你们瞎起劲反对 loong 干什么呢？让外国人自己去决定好了。

ysun wrote:为什么现在又非得说沃克的意思是“现在我译为 loong 了”？

ysun wrote:
Just because we believe in real dragonologists only

wherestip wrote:

I'm sorry for being disrespectful in my posts to Prof. Huang yesterday. I had let my own feelings for the topic get the better of me, and had poor judgment in making the posts. I'd like to personally apologize to Prof. Huang, and also to the participants of this Forum.

I hope there are no hard feelings. There's certainly none on my part.



[Edited at 2025-09-23 17:41 GMT]

hj58 wrote:


沃克也是这样，他只说了 or dragon, as it is commonly translated，其它地方如标题使用的是 loong。

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hj58 wrote:



他连东方和西方都搞错了，还想当然地认为利玛窦热爱中国，实际上人家是来“征服”的。

利玛窦：“为抵制这头怪兽，我们耶稣会进行了远征”（黄佶）
https://loong.cn/li_ma_dou.html

　　在上一卷的结尾我们曾提到，中国迷信这头怪兽与三种主要的宗教为伍，变得更加凶残，数千年来牢牢地束缚着人们，并把不计其数的灵魂送入地狱的渊薮。为抵制这头怪兽，我们耶稣会遵循了自己的信念，采取行动，途经万邦，远涉重洋，进行远征，以解救那些陷于无尽沉沦中的灵魂。我耶稣会士想念天主的仁慈与恩许，不怕千难万险，不怕这个国家抵制外国人的进入，也不怕那些不计其数的甘于坚持错误的人们。因为我们是神圣十字架的代表和武器，所有世俗和邪恶的力量都无法阻挡住我们。

　　第一个发动这场远征并着手扫清障碍的是已享受真福的圣者方济各. 沙勿略神父（P. Francesco Xaver），……。（p.81）

hj58 wrote:


沃克也是这样，他只说了 or dragon, as it is commonly translated，其它地方如标题使用的是 loong。

hj58 wrote:


Loong。

a very offensive word for a worker in China, India and other parts of Asia, used by Europeans

ysun wrote:
loong 这一注音符号是代表中国字“龙”。

ysun wrote:

我发现，苦力（coolie）一词已被《牛津词典》和其他英汉词典收入：

ysun wrote:

从沃克的文章中可以看出，loong 一词出自 Foochow (Foo City）当地一位“苦力”和一位文人之口。

hj58 wrote:



在这篇文章里，loong 是龙的音译，不是注音符号。

你知道 loong 代表中国字“龙”，外国读者怎么知道？

所以，沃克的意思是：大家通常称为 dragon 的那个东西，现在我称为 loong，它实际上是 loong，loong 和 dragon 不同。

hj58 wrote:

你知道 loong 代表中国字“龙”，外国读者怎么知道？

ysun wrote:

沃克已经一次性解释清楚， Loong is commonly translated as dragon。所以，他在文中其余地方就都可以使用 loong，而不必再解释。