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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

SD-Arzt

English translation:

self-dispensing physicians (or medical doctors)

Added to glossary by Ellen Kraus
Apr 26, 2010 17:58
14 yrs ago
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German term

SD-Arzt

German to English Medical Medical: Health Care type of doctor (Swiss term?)
Context:
... Eröffnungen in Apotheken und bei SD-Ärzten

The context is the introduction of drugs on the dermatology market
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 self-dispensing physicians (or medical doctors)
5 -1 Endokrinologe
3 -1 endocrinologist
2 -1 board-certified dermatologists
References
SD = eventuell SelbstDispensation
Change log

May 5, 2010 19:18: Ellen Kraus Created KOG entry

Discussion

Valeria E. (X) Apr 27, 2010:
@Cetacea
I was just trying to be of help. But you could be right in the end.
Cetacea Apr 27, 2010:
@Eggert1 A "medic" is not an "Arzt", but either an emergency medical technician, a paramedic, or a military member trained in battlefield medicine. Not to mention that "thiroid" is actually spelled "thyroid", and the pronoun "which" is not used to substitute for people, but things. What's more, a pharmaceutical company would never use a lay term such as "Schilddrüsenarzt" for "endocrinologist". Or sell dermatology products to said endocrinologist, for that matter...
Valeria E. (X) Apr 26, 2010:
I am sure it is talking about a SD Arzt, which is a Thiroid medic.
Cetacea Apr 26, 2010:
Und auch in der Schweiz sind die selbst dispensierenden Ärzte (= SD-Ärzte) nicht unumstritten. Vor allem bei den Apothekern... ;-) Die Abkürzung ist übrigens vor allem bei Pharmaunternehmen sehr gebräuchlich.
Ellen Kraus Apr 26, 2010:
den von mir angeführten links nach zu schließen, scheinen selbst "self-dispensing physicians " primär in Liechtenstein und in der CH bekannt zu sein.
Holly Hart (asker) Apr 26, 2010:
more context... I also wanted to emphasize that this is a Swiss document
Holly Hart (asker) Apr 26, 2010:
More context: Here is the entire sentence in which it occurs:
Vorgegebene Depot Eröffnungen in Apotheken, Drogerien mit Potential (F- und B-Kunden) und bei SD-Ärzten

I am beginning to think more and more that it may be 'self-dispensing physicians'
Lirka Apr 26, 2010:
Are they talking about private dermatologists? Unless you have more context, I'd ask the client what's meant here--pls see my two suggestions in the answers section.

Proposed translations

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1 hr
Selected

self-dispensing physicians (or medical doctors)

Fürstentum Liechtenstein) 3#677 praktizierende Ärzte mit Patientenapotheke, auch selbstdispensierende (SD) Ärzte genannt. Damit stellt diese Gruppe rund ein ...
www.interpharma.ch › ... › Medikamente

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self-dispensing physicians. Zusammenfassung. Fragestellung: Das Ziel der Studie war die Er- hebung von qualitätsrelevanten Aspekten der ...
www.smw.ch/docs/pdf/2000_12/2000-12-314.pdf
Peer comment(s):
agree Cetacea
58 mins
thank you, Cetacea !
disagree Valeria E. (X) : It is thiroid problem, since the example said: SD-Unterfunktion, which means in German, bad funktioning of the thiroid gland, as mentioned not only by me above.
2 hrs
im zur Verfügung gestellten Kontext gibt es keinerlei Hinweis auf Schildrüse, dafür hingegen auf Dermatologie. die Schilddrüse tritt primär in dem von dir zitierten link in Erscheinung !!!
agree Lirka : probably, yes
13 hrs
thank you, lirka !
agree Hermeneutica : und, @Eggert1: in der *Frage* ist nichts von dieser Unterfunktion, nur in dem Beispiel, das du angefuehrt hast --- versuch doch mal, "selbstdispensierender* in deine Beispiele einzusetzen, dann ist es vielleicht klarer! U. gut,dass sie es noch gibt!
15 hrs
thank you, Hermeneutica !
agree Rolf Keiser
1 day 17 hrs
thank you, Goldcoaster !
agree robin25
2 days 20 hrs
thank you, robin25 !
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Hello, This is the best choice for this context - Thanks to all!"
-1
6 mins

board-certified dermatologists

It's [only] an educated guess, but I think it stands for Specialist Dermatologe or sth along those lines... Facharzt fuer Dermatologie would be the more usual denotation, at least in AT, though.


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The other option is 'selbstständiger Dermatologe' which is the same as niedergelassener Dermatologe, meaning 'dermatologist in private practice'.

Perhaps you can figure it out from the context what's more likely.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Marga Shaw : lirka, I am really sorry, but what sort of German is "Specialist Dermatologe"? Also, the Q. is "SD-Arzt", this would make him then a "Specialist Dermatologe-Arzt"? No, I don't think so! The same applies to "selbstständiger Dermatologe".
1 hr
Look at my CL of 2!! I noted that it was a guess. As for the German, you can judge it best :) I don't pretend to actually speak it :):) Cheers!
disagree Cetacea : In Switzerland, an "SD-Arzt" is a "selbst dispensierender Arzt".
2 hrs
thanks, didn't know that. since it is a Swiss doc as we learned, you may well be very right
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-1
10 mins

endocrinologist

"Schilddrüse" => "thyroid (gland)"

"SD-Arzt / Endokrinologen im Allgäu gesucht!"
http://www.wer-weiss-was.de/theme49/article4332188.html

"Herzlichen dank aus dem Sonnigen Hamburg Mücke; SD-Arzt / Endokrinologen im Allgäu gesucht ! Kann mir jemand einen empfehlen?"
http://www.wer-weiss-was.de/theme-i49-p166.html

"Naja, jedenfalls bin ich wegen der Müdigkeit, Haarausfall, Muskel-Gelenkschmerzen einfach selbst (privat) zum Endokrinologen (SD-Arzt)."
http://www.med1.de/Forum/EBV/496671/

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"Almased trotz Schilddrüsenunterfunktion??? - Abnehmen.com...
14. Sept. 2006 ... möglichst einen SD-Arzt (Endokrinologen) die raten aber eigentlich immer ab weil sich wenn sich dein gewicht in zu kurzer Zeit zu stark ..."
http://www.abnehmen.com/neuankoemmlinge/48234-almased-trotz-...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Lirka : yeah, I found SD-Arzt in google as well, but my question is how it fits the dermatology context...
3 mins
Yes, I agree this seems weird. If this is a dermatology drug then I *could* see them giving it to (in the following order): 1) "Apotheke", 2) dermatologists, 3) endocrinologists (who do treat skin symptoms). But no dermatologists mentioned here? Weird.
disagree Cetacea : In Switzerland, an "SD-Arzt" is a "selbst dispensierender Arzt". I've seen that you agreed with Lisa below, but I still have to disagree with your answer... ;-)
2 hrs
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-1
30 mins

Endokrinologe

SD-Arzt / Endokrinologen im Allgäu gesucht ! | aus Forum Medizin ... [Translate this page]
8. Nov. 2007 ... Hallo, ich habe eine SD-Unterfunktion und suche daher einen Schilddrüsenarzt / Endokrinologen im Allgäu. Kann mir jemand einen empfehlen? Danke! ...
133k - 19 sec @ 56k
www.wer-weiss-was.de/theme49/article4332188.html

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In English it would be: endocrinologist- the actual sentence: ' Eröffnung in Apotheken.... ' should be translated: 'Will be sold in drugstores and at endocrinologists.'
Example sentence:

Endokrinologe gesucht, ich habe eine SD-Unterfunktion und suche deshalb einen Schilddrüsenarzt / Endokrinologe.

Peer comment(s):
disagree Cetacea : Aside from the fact that direct selling of drugs is illegal for doctors in most countries except Switzerland (where self dispensation = SD is legal in some cantons), why would a pharmaceutical company market a dermatology product to an endocrinologist?
1 hr
I think it is a doctor for thyroid problems. The add above says clearly: 'SD-Unterfunktion', which I found in Dictionary as example, just trying to help seriously
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Reference comments

29 mins
Reference:

SD = eventuell SelbstDispensation

Medikamentenabgabe direkt durch Ärzte, hat eher nix mit Hautärzten zu tun.
Gibt es wohl in einigen Schweizer Kantonen. Mit einer Übersetzung kann ich leider nicht dienen. Zitat:

Selbstdispensation
Unter Selbstdispensation versteht man die Abgabe von Arzneimitteln durch Ärzte. In vielen Ländern Europas ist strikt verboten, was in manchen Kantonen der Schweiz erlaubt ist: Ärzte dürfen ihren Patienten Medikamente verkaufen.

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Just found an article on this topic, however it seems to be translated from German to English: They call it self-dispensing phyisicans.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10780057

or here
http://www.continucare.com/facilities/

New Self-Dispensing Medication Service Available at Select Continucare Medical Centers
Reference:

http://www.fmc.ch/uploads/tx_userzsarchiv/14-selbstdispensation.neu.fi.pdf

http://www.medical-tribune.ch/deutsch/selbstdispensation/tipps.php

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree casper (X) : Also, SD-Ärzte = Ärzte, die ihren Patienten Medikamente verkaufen dürfen ? // Changed neutral --> agree. How about posting your suggestion as an independent answer, lisa23 ?
12 mins
ja genau, schau dir mal die Links an, das ergibt auch Sinn in Verbindung mit Apotheken (die von diesem Konzept wenig begeistert sind) ; in D gibt es das wohl nicht
agree Donald Scott Alexander : Wow! I'm convinced! Good to have a native German speaker weigh in here. As you said, "self-dispensing" physicians/doctors exist in Switzerland. I now noticed this term was actually Swiss, and I'm sorry I posted my distracting guess based on "Schilddrüse".
33 mins
agree Cetacea : In einem Schweizer Text ist ein "SD-Arzt" mit 100%iger Sicherheit ein selbst dispensierender Arzt. Darum gibt's zum Beispiel im Kt. Genf 1 Apotheke auf 2500 Einwohner, und in der Ostschweiz 1 auf 8000...
1 hr
disagree Valeria E. (X) : SD-Unterfunktion does not mean self-dispensing. I found SD-Unterfunktion bzgl. Schilddrüse therefore he is looking for a SD-Arzt, a doctor who treats SD-Problems...
3 hrs
agree Marga Shaw
3 hrs
agree J Fox : in this context
3 hrs
agree Louise Mawbey
13 hrs
agree Susanne Schiewe
14 hrs
agree Lirka
14 hrs
agree robin25
2 days 21 hrs
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