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Robert Rietvelt  Identity Verified
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I know this topic has been spoken before, but I am thinking of installing W10, and because it is more than 6 months after the initial release, I am wondering about the experiences people had till sofar working with this "new" OS. Is it workable or a total disaster?

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You should upgrade Mar 3, 2016

Robert Rietvelt wrote:

I know this topic has been spoken before, but I am thinking of installing W10, and because it is more than 6 months after the initial release, I am wondering about the experiences people had till sofar working with this "new" OS. Is it workable or a total disaster?



I think that it's safe to upgrade now!

[Edited at 2016-03-03 17:09 GMT]


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Dan Lucas  Identity Verified
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So far so good Mar 3, 2016

Robert Rietvelt wrote:
Is it workable or a total disaster?

Been running it since last June. Works well here.

Dan


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I'm staying on 7 Mar 3, 2016

We have two W.7 systems here and one W.8.1 system that we upgraded to W.10 to get rid of W.8 once and for all.

W.10 was stable until this happened:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_web/windows-socket-registry-entries-missing-according/5f54e033-9d49-4de0-bf23-576653641b20?auth=1
"Windows socket registry entries missing according to diagnostics and Internet no longer working at all".
The computer lost all networking in an instant.
This article has presently had nearly 120,000 views, so the number indicates that this is a widespread problem affecting a large number of systems.

The troubleshooter was unable to fix it, and after having spent most of an hour with Microsoft's chat support, which seemed utterly confused and ignorant about it, the problem had solved itself in the meantime without my understanding why.

Also annoying on W.10 is scroll bars that disappear from the start menu and browser, and that they have hidden remote assistance far away so one can no longer find it by simply typing "remote assistance" in the start menu's search field.

Many complain about the amount of private data W.10 sends to Microsoft.

The Control Panel menus waste most of the space on the screen because they are designed to fit small screens too.

Once you're on W.10, you can no longer choose which updates to install; they all become mandatory.

To conclude, in my view, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages (it boots faster, but that's the only advantage I'm aware of) at this time, so I'll be staying on W.7 unless Microsoft dramatically change their policy on Windows and start thinking about laptop and desktop Windows users again instead of a tiny fraction of the smartphone market, which they are unlikely to take away from Android and iPhone systems anyway. I'm still of the opinion that trying to use one single system for so different systems was and is a major fiasco.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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I... Mar 3, 2016

Robert Rietvelt wrote:
I am thinking of installing W10, and because it is more than 6 months after the initial release, I am wondering about the experiences people had till sofar working with this "new" OS.


It's basically Windows 8 with reduced options for customisability. I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 about 6 months ago (but I also have Windows 8 on a laptop, so I know that OS as well). The upgrade was pain-free and I was able to do most of what I was able to do before. But the reductionist colouring of the Windows made working with multiple windows very cumbersome, and so two months ago I re-installed Windows 7, and I'm happy with it.

Windows 10 looks like what Trados 2015 looks like. The same lack of contrast between UI elements in Trados 2015 is what Windows 10 has.


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Samuel Murray wrote:

Robert Rietvelt wrote:
I am thinking of installing W10, and because it is more than 6 months after the initial release, I am wondering about the experiences people had till sofar working with this "new" OS.


It's basically Windows 8 with reduced options for customisability. I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 about 6 months ago (but I also have Windows 8 on a laptop, so I know that OS as well). The upgrade was pain-free and I was able to do most of what I was able to do before. But the reductionist colouring of the Windows made working with multiple windows very cumbersome, and so two months ago I re-installed Windows 7, and I'm happy with it.

Windows 10 looks like what Trados 2015 looks like. The same lack of contrast between UI elements in Trados 2015 is what Windows 10 has.




Samuel, Hans and Dan, thank you for your answers.

By the way, I am working amongst others with SDL 2015. How does Trados function on W10?



[Edited at 2016-03-03 20:02 GMT]


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Josephine Cassar  Identity Verified
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No to Windows 10 Mar 3, 2016

We have one Computer with windows 8 which system we did not like so we upgraded around September but I have a PC with windows 7 which I am not going to upgrade to windows 10 as I like the layout of Windows 7 better and seem to navigate better even if windows 10 continually asks me to upgrade. I am staying with windows 7 then for that, but between windows 8 and windows 10, I prefer windows 10. PDF has changed to Edge too.

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Epic fail Mar 3, 2016

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

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Also annoying on W.10 is scroll bars that disappear from the start menu and browser, and that they have hidden remote assistance far away so one can no longer find it by simply typing "remote assistance" in the start menu's search field.

Many complain about the amount of private data W.10 sends to Microsoft.

The Control Panel menus waste most of the space on the screen because they are designed to fit small screens too.

Once you're on W.10, you can no longer choose which updates to install; they all become mandatory.

To conclude, in my view, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages ...


I also tried it out and didn't like it either. I now run W7 with Office 2010 on 2 PCs and it works fine. It was mainly the mandatory lockstep updates that were the last straw for me.


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Anton Konashenok  Identity Verified
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Yes and no. Mar 3, 2016

I upgraded from Windows 8.1 several months ago and have mixed feelings. On the plus side, user interface ergonomics has considerably improved; in particular, old schoolers will appreciate a lot of keyboard shortcuts to invoke functions that used to require fiddling with the mouse. For machines convertible between notebook and tablet configurations, Windows 10 is essentially the first version that handles the switching properly. On the minus side, even with half a year's worth of updates, the system still lacks stability and needs to be rebooted every several days to function without problems, while Windows 8.1 would easily reach a month of uptime. Another problem is compatility with older software - some programs that worked flawlessly under Windows 8.1 now tend to crash once in a while.

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2014 works fine Mar 3, 2016

Robert Rietvelt wrote:
By the way, I am working amongst others with SDL 2015. How does Trados function on W10?

Working fine with SDL 2014 here, can't comment on SDL 2015.

With due respect to Samuel, Windows 10 seems pretty customisable to me. (I have used 8.0 and 8.1 but liked neither.) One of the reasons I upgraded to Windows 10 from Windows 7 was more granular better control of font sizes and better scaling. To me that's a worthwhile improvement.

Some settings seem to be duplicated between desktop apps and modern apps, which is confusing. Still, I just hit the Windows key and type and I can find what I want in a couple of seconds.

Should you upgrade? For me, better fonts, scaling and the very fast boot make it worth it, but if you're happy with Windows 7 there's no rush.

Dan


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Rolf Keller
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How to cope with automatic updates with Win 10 Mar 4, 2016

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

The troubleshooter was unable to fix it, and after having spent most of an hour with Microsoft's chat support, which seemed utterly confused and ignorant about it, the problem had solved itself in the meantime without my understanding why.


Probably the solution came secretly, with a later update.

If an update seems to cause problems, just deinstall it and wait a week. Why wasting time with MS' support? Probably MS will need some days to diagnose and fix the problem. Just let 10 million different people phone MS ...
(BTW, there are backup & restore features in Windows, so you can switch back to a working version at any time.)

Additionally, be proactive: You can set a "delay time" in Windows' Group Policy Editor. I set it to 1 week, hoping that MS will deliver a correction within one week. In the first week of January MS did that anyway: KB 3034229 caused problems and was fixed some days later by a new update. So, people who had set a one-week-delay weren't hit by that faulty update.

For upgrades (not updates) you may set a different delay time, I set it to 2 months.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3005569/microsoft-windows/how-to-defer-upgrades-and-updates-in-windows-10-pro.html

If you have no Group Policy Editor, you have no Windows 10 Pro. Starting with Win XP there were Non-Home versions that should be used by professional users. On principle, Home versions lack some features ... this doesn't pay off.


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Rolf Keller wrote:

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

The troubleshooter was unable to fix it, and after having spent most of an hour with Microsoft's chat support, which seemed utterly confused and ignorant about it, the problem had solved itself in the meantime without my understanding why.


Probably the solution came secretly, with a later update.

If an update seems to cause problems, just deinstall it and wait a week. Why wasting time with MS' support? Probably MS will need some days to diagnose and fix the problem. Just let 10 million different people phone MS ...


How do I know if it was related to an update or not, and if so, how do I know which one? And no, it was not fixed with a later update, as the problem went away during the Microsoft chat session. How would it have downloaded updates without network access anyway?

Why waste time with MS' support? Because I needed a solution ASAP. What else would you suggest? I'm not a Windows networking debugging specialist, and I had not found an obvious solution online.

But you don't seem to mind losing your network, so I guess you'd better inform your clients that your translations may be randomly delayed due to Windows 10 networking problems

As for automatic forced updates, it is not just a question of when to install them but if one wants them installed. It is the tyranny I don't like. It is my computer after all, not Microsoft's. On Windows 7, for example, I have disabled three updates that kept pestering me to install Windows 10.


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Troubleshooting with Windows 10 Mar 4, 2016

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

How do I know if it was related to an update or not, and if so, how do I know which one?


I read the very first paragraph of the link you stated ...

Anyway, if suddenly a new problem arises one should think in the "What has changed" direction. Updates are changes.

Why waste time with MS' support? Because I needed a solution ASAP. What else would you suggest?


Actually I did suggest something: a return to a previous state. A System Recovery to the state of yesterday takes about 5 minutes. (BTW, the 'P' in ASAP means something ...


But you don't seem to mind losing your network, so I guess you'd better inform your clients that your translations may be randomly delayed due to Windows 10 networking problems


I have a second PC (plus my wife's in her study room). All these PC's are connected to each other and to the Net. None of these PCs can block the networking of the other ones because I can simply unplug it.

As for automatic forced updates, it is not just a question of when to install them but if one wants them installed. It is the tyranny I don't like. It is my computer after all, not Microsoft's.


Agreed. But does this opinion help?


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Yes, but Mar 4, 2016

Rolf Keller wrote:

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

How do I know if it was related to an update or not, and if so, how do I know which one?


I read the very first paragraph of the link you stated ...


If you read further, you will find this:

"Then KB3034229 installed. This caused my problems. As part of the attempt to fix the problem I uninstalled kb3034229. This did not fix the problem."

It's not always as simple as just removing an update. And yes, I know updates are changes. I spent 20 years as an IT specialist in IBM mainframe, and "what has changed" does not always provide the answer.

There is also no guarantee that a system recovery to a previous state will help. It could furthermore remove other changes one had made in the meantime, and which then need to be applied again. Again, it's not necessarily as simple as you claim.

As I am yet to find any significant advantage of W10 over W7, it would be pointless to update from 7 to 10, but that's an individual choice.

W7 has other bugs that Microsoft has never bothered to fix, but better the devil you know.

If anyone has stumbled upon any real advantages of W10 over W7, I'd be interested to hear about it, though.


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