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Jan 5, 2022 11:27
2 yrs ago
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English term

first principles

English to French Other Management Project management
By the end of this session you will be familiar with five of these activities which are:
• Plan schedule management
• Define activities
• Sequence activities
• Develop schedule and
• Control schedule

And you will be able to develop a simple schedule from FIRST PRINCIPLES.
Proposed translations (French)
4 +2 Principes élémentaires
3 +4 principes fondamentaux
4 lignes directrices
4 Socle de règles d'or
4 -3 en utilisant l'outil Ab Initio
4 -4 Principes à priori

Discussion

Hugues Roumier (asker) Jan 6, 2022:
@Anastasia Thanks for your comment. It's in capital letters only for you to spot it easier
Anastasia Kalantzi Jan 5, 2022:
@Asker This might as well seem somehow awkward but still there's something that, let's say, bothers me in terms of the written form of "first principles". Could you, please, tell me if it is you to have written these terms in capital letters or there are already like this in your document you've taken to translate? It does really matters. Thanks in advance.
Samuël Buysschaert Jan 5, 2022:
@Tony I Agree with your comment.
Tony M Jan 5, 2022:
@ Asker I'd say the sense here is something like 'principes de base', if that is any help?

Proposed translations

+2
18 hrs
Selected

Principes élémentaires

Une proposition
Peer comment(s):
agree Germaine : C'est, je crois, la version la plus proche des définitions apportées par Rocsana.
10 hrs
agree Daryo
11 hrs
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+4
1 hr

principes fondamentaux

Peer comment(s):
agree Germaine : ou principes/règles élémentaires, de base.
4 hrs
Oui, Merci !
agree François Tardif : Oui, ou principes de base, simplement, comme dit Tony.
4 hrs
Je suis d'accord, Merci !
agree Laurent Di Raimondo : Je dirais aussi "principes de base", selon le contexte qui n'est apparemment pas si formel.
6 hrs
Oui en effet, Merci !
agree AllegroTrans : principes de base serait mieux
7 hrs
Thanks !
neutral Daryo : sounds too theoretical for this ST/ "principes de base" is better
1 day 4 hrs
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1 hr

lignes directrices

il s'agit ici d'une reprise des têtes de chapitres, qui développent les conduites à tenir essentielles, lesquelles se définissent comme autant de lignes directrices.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : I don't believe this has anything to do with the chapter titles.
47 mins
neutral Daryo : very roughly it is that, but in this text is sounds more like "general principles we use as starting point"
1 day 4 hrs
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-3
4 hrs
English term (edited): from FROM FRIRST PRINCIPLES

en utilisant l'outil Ab Initio

Ab Initio le nom d'un outil informatique de manipulation de données "Extract Transform Load" (source Wikipedia)
I found several definitions of "First principles", but being an IT text, I propose the "Ab Initio" translation.

1. https://www.maray.ai/posts/first-principles-thinking: " a first principle is a proposition or an assumption on which true knowledge is based"
2. https://jamesclear.com/first-principles: " First principles thinking, which is sometimes called reasoning from first principles, is one of the most effective strategies you can employ for breaking down complicated problems and generating original solutions. "
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_principle: "A first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption.". "In a formal logical system, that is, a set of propositions that are consistent with one another, it is possible that some of the statements can be deduced from other statements."

Reference:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_initio

Peer comment(s):
disagree Germaine : On parle de gestion de projet et rien ne suggère cette traduction dans la phrase. Par contre, les définitions sont intéressantes et semblent corroborer l'option principes/hypothèses/règles élémentaires/de base/fondamentales.
1 hr
disagree AllegroTrans : "Ab initio" has a quite different meaning to "first principles"
16 hrs
Yes, you're right, but in science, Ab Initio means from the First Principles. Look at the definition of Ab Initio in Wikipedia
disagree Daryo : not in a year of Sundays // just because when naming their wares some people try "creatively" to misappropriate for themselves already existing general concepts does not give them any kind of monopoly on them.
1 day 40 mins
This is a community where people can write freely their comments and they try to help each other. This is not a place to say "I'm the best". So Mr. Daryo I don't like your irony and I feel like telling you you're totally impolite.
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4 hrs

Socle de règles d'or

Une suggestion. Cordialement
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-4
5 hrs

Principes à priori

Nonetheless, les principes de base are the basic principles, and this isn't the case I presume.
A first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption. In philosophy, first principles are from First Cause attitudes and taught by Aristotelians, and nuanced versions of first principles are referred to as postulates by Kantians. In physics, a calculation is said to be from first principles, or ab initio, if it starts directly at the level of established laws of physics and does not make assumptions such as empirical model and fitting parameters. Overall, a first principle is the first basis from which a thing is known. Thus, we could express it in French such as Principes à priori.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Germaine : Pas dans ce cas-ci. Il s'agit d'une formation. À priori = sans s'appuyer sur des faits; en supposant que. // Certainement pas! Essayer de cuisiner un gâteau en vous fondant sur des à priori et nous en reparlerons.
31 mins
Mais certainement si! Ce sont des principes d'une part à priori, mais en même temps basées toujours sur son propre expérience et les faits de son projet. C'est un tout amalgamé. Voilà!
disagree Tony M : It is the 'schedule' that is to be developed 'from first principles' — in other words, going back to basics. / Be that as it may, there is no connection between 'a priori' and the meaning of the EN source text here.
2 hrs
Though the context is a little bit scrappy of some more juicy clues, only out of my own experience in family business administration, there's something that is strongly telling me that this à priori knowledge precedes anything else.
disagree AllegroTrans : Agree with both of the above disagrees
3 hrs
Feel free to have the absolute right to express openly your opinion, but you forgot to declare some meaningful argumentation quote to that. Thank you.
disagree Daryo : whatever the case might be ELSEWHERE, it simply doesn't fit IN THIS TEXT // No one is in this ST advocating applying some principles plucked out of thin air ...
1 day 14 mins
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