Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
natural person / legal person
English answer:
natural person/legal person
- The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2013-01-21 21:54:07 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Jan 17, 2013 23:17
11 yrs ago
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English term
United Kingdom
www.lingocraft.co.uk
Native in: English (Variants: Singaporean, UK, South African, British, Scottish, Irish) 
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
natural person / legal person
English
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
Letter requesting information for police enquiry
Some nationalities use these terms to describe whether the participants in a legal case are members of the legal profession, or if they other members of the public who happen to be involved. I have a translation from Romanian which uses these terms. I think they use them in US, but do we use them in UK? Or do we have another expression for this? The literal reading of the sentence in question is:
"• [Please provide] The personal ID of the financial agents, **the natural persons or the legal persons** who were sold the abovementioned XXX.
"• [Please provide] The personal ID of the financial agents, **the natural persons or the legal persons** who were sold the abovementioned XXX.
Responses
| 4 +5 | natural person/legal person |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 4 | private individual / entity |
Roman Bardachev
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| 4 | individual/incorporated entity |
lingos --
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| 4 -1 | osoba fizyczna / osoba prawna |
Ewa Erdmann
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References
| UK official usage |
Charles Davis
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Responses
+5
1 hr
Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Ireland
Native in English
&
English
Works in field
Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
Native in: English (Variants: UK, US, Canadian, Irish)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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58
Selected
natural person/legal person
what I always use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_person
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herethese are used in the EUR .Lex . #18
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:...
Therefore, in those Member States that allow cash payments above the established threshold, all natural or legal persons trading in goods by way of business should be covered by this Directive when accepting such cash payments. Dealers in high-value goods, such as precious stones or metals, or works of art, and auctioneers are in any event covered by this Directive to the extent that payments to them are made in cash in an amount of EUR 15000 or more. To ensure effective monitoring of compliance with this Directive by that potentially wide group of institutions and persons, Member States may focus their monitoring activities in particular on those natural and legal persons trading in goods that are exposed to a relatively high risk of money laundering or terrorist financing, in accordance with the principle of risk-based supervision. In view of the different situations in the various Member States, Member States may decide to adopt stricter provisions, in order to properly address the risk involved with large cash payments..."
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and Lara, these terms are used in all cases of Law whether business or criminal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_person
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-01-18 01:26:58 GMT)
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herethese are used in the EUR .Lex . #18
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:...
Therefore, in those Member States that allow cash payments above the established threshold, all natural or legal persons trading in goods by way of business should be covered by this Directive when accepting such cash payments. Dealers in high-value goods, such as precious stones or metals, or works of art, and auctioneers are in any event covered by this Directive to the extent that payments to them are made in cash in an amount of EUR 15000 or more. To ensure effective monitoring of compliance with this Directive by that potentially wide group of institutions and persons, Member States may focus their monitoring activities in particular on those natural and legal persons trading in goods that are exposed to a relatively high risk of money laundering or terrorist financing, in accordance with the principle of risk-based supervision. In view of the different situations in the various Member States, Member States may decide to adopt stricter provisions, in order to properly address the risk involved with large cash payments..."
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and Lara, these terms are used in all cases of Law whether business or criminal.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: These are the terms as used in British (and Irish!) English; I have to say that what the EU uses doesn't always correspond with correct UK/Ireland legal terminology as it's sometimes a "fudge" given that the "rest" are not common-law jurisdictions
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thanks AT. Yes, only added the EU link so Lara could check the Romanian as agree with your remarks
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Tony M
: Yes, these are the standard term used in GB legal contexts. 'Legal person', at least in EN, never means 'a member of the legal profession'!
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Thanks Tony, indeed I think they are standard terms in the US and Canada as well.
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Ildiko Santana
: These are the terms used in US-EN as well. 'Legal person' does not mean 'a member of the legal profession'! Legal personality allows one or more natural persons to act as a single entity (a composite person) for legal purposes.
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Thanks Ildiko!
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B D Finch
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Thanks B! Enjoy weekend!
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Phong Le
3 days 3 hrs
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Many thanks:-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
-1
9 mins
Ewa Erdmann
Specializes in field
Your way to smooth communication
Native in: Polish 
Works in: English to Polish, Polish to English, English
osoba fizyczna / osoba prawna
Dictionary of Law Terms by Ewa Myrczek
Note from asker:
| I cannot translate from Polish |
25 mins
Roman Bardachev
Canada
Canada
Specializes in field
Canada
University Degree in Translation
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
private individual / entity
private individual / entity
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: "entity" does not really express the notion clearly - too ambiguous - and by no means is every entity a legal person
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3 days 10 hrs
individual/incorporated entity
the law usually differentiates an individual (i.e. a physical person) as opposed to any incorporated entity (which may include both companies and individual professionals who have private practice like lawyers, dentists, etc, i.e. have status of a legal/registered entity).
Reference comments
10 hrs
Reference:
UK official usage
Allegro is right to point out that EU documentation is not necessarily a reliable guide to UK usage. However, "natural person" and "legal person" are standard terms in official UK legal and administrative language, though "non-natural person" is also used for the latter. Neither, of course, has anything to do with whether the "person" is a lawyer.
"Definition of Company
4. A company is a legal person, capable of being prosecuted, and should not be treated differently from an individual because of its artificial personality."
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/corporate_prosecutions/
"A non-EEA company is either a body corporate or firm that is a legal person under its governing law, such as a UK Limited Liability Partnership, Scottish Limited Partnership, United States LLC etc."
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/infoAndGuide/glossary.shtml
"Who is likely to be affected?
Certain types of non-natural persons acquiring residential property in the UK costing more than £2 million.
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Unless the purchaser is a natural person, or natural persons acquiring a property jointly, the higher rate may be chargeable. For the purposes of the higher rate charge 'non-natural person' includes companies, collective investment schemes (including unit trusts), and partnerships in which a non-natural person is a partner."
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2012/tiin-2120.pdf
"Non-natural person" seems to be used in the context of taxation.
"Definition of Company
4. A company is a legal person, capable of being prosecuted, and should not be treated differently from an individual because of its artificial personality."
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/corporate_prosecutions/
"A non-EEA company is either a body corporate or firm that is a legal person under its governing law, such as a UK Limited Liability Partnership, Scottish Limited Partnership, United States LLC etc."
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/infoAndGuide/glossary.shtml
"Who is likely to be affected?
Certain types of non-natural persons acquiring residential property in the UK costing more than £2 million.
[...]
Unless the purchaser is a natural person, or natural persons acquiring a property jointly, the higher rate may be chargeable. For the purposes of the higher rate charge 'non-natural person' includes companies, collective investment schemes (including unit trusts), and partnerships in which a non-natural person is a partner."
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2012/tiin-2120.pdf
"Non-natural person" seems to be used in the context of taxation.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Tony M
12 hrs
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Thanks, Tony :) (I can think of a few people I might describe as non-natural persons.)
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Discussion
I hope I didn't cause any offence by not asking question on Rom>Eng forum. My reason for posting here was just to make sure I didn't use a US term, which does sometimes happen through R>E forum.