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Jul 11, 2020 13:33
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Italian term
Italy
Helping Italian creatives meet the world
Native in: English (Variants: US, British)
Works in: Italian to English
stirpe
Italian to English
Social Sciences
History
Fascism
La salvezza dell’Europa, ai loro occhi, poteva arrivare solo dalla riscoperta della civiltà romana sotto la guida della stirpe italiana.
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Il razzismo nazional-romano, infatti, puntava su concetti più ambigui, come quelli di stirpe e civiltà.
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Il razzismo nazional-romano, infatti, puntava su concetti più ambigui, come quelli di stirpe e civiltà.
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
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15 mins
[Italian] race (1) / ancestry (2)
It seems to be a text on nationalism
..nder the leadership of the Italian decendants
https://www.genomeweb.com/sequencing/ancient-romans-genetic-...
..nder the leadership of the Italian decendants
https://www.genomeweb.com/sequencing/ancient-romans-genetic-...
Peer comment(s):
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Tom in London
: I came first with "race"!
6 mins
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There is no need to reiterate what I have already stated in the post discussion. And by the way the second stirpe is 'ancestry & culture'
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writeaway
: 1 minute time difference means you posted at the same time. And you have included a reference.
2 hrs
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Adrian MM.
: if (1) refers to the first example capturing the def. art. 'della' of the race and (2) quelli di stirpe... with no article, so the only answer to d/w the difference.
3 hrs
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24 mins
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Mexico
Works in field
Mexico
Confianza, certeza, creatividad.
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Mexican)
Works in: English to Spanish, Italian to Spanish, French to Spanish, and 6 more.
lineage
7 mins
Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Laudable Lady Linguist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 3 more.
ancestral heritage
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Note added at 56 mins (2020-07-11 14:29:23 GMT)
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Or "ancestral legacy".
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Note added at 56 mins (2020-07-11 14:29:23 GMT)
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Or "ancestral legacy".
3 hrs
Cillie Swart
South Africa
South Africa
Native in English
South Africa
Finance, Legal, Business Texts
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Dutch to English, Afrikaans to English, and 1 more.
ethnicity
ethnicity or ethnic group might be safer here.
4 hrs
Michele Fauble
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Native English
Native in: English
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English
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20
(The Italian) people
A neutral term.
5 hrs
Isabella Nanni
Italy
Italy
Native in Italian
Italy
Marketing Finance Books Law Tourism
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, German to Italian, Spanish to Italian, and 4 more.
bloodline
sounds less racist than "race", pardon the pun - I never heard of the "Italian race"
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Note added at 8 hrs (2020-07-11 21:50:35 GMT)
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Look how "bloodline" is used here as a synonym for race with a somewhat more positive meaning "The highest race was the ‘Aryan’, of which the Germans were the nearest contem-porary example (though their Aryan purity had been somewhat compromisedby the admission of inferior races into their bloodline)."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327127192_Fascism
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Note added at 8 hrs (2020-07-11 21:50:35 GMT)
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Look how "bloodline" is used here as a synonym for race with a somewhat more positive meaning "The highest race was the ‘Aryan’, of which the Germans were the nearest contem-porary example (though their Aryan purity had been somewhat compromisedby the admission of inferior races into their bloodline)."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327127192_Fascism
+3
14 mins
Tom in London
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
Architecture, design, technical, etc.
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Italian to English
Related KudoZ points
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91
race
In this context, even when used ironically as it is here, "stirpe" is a racist term that is taken to include ancestry, culture, language, blood, genetics etc.
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Note added at 4 days (2020-07-16 12:46:36 GMT)
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I fear you have a concept of irony that is different from mine. Many people think irony is a form of humour. It absolutely is not in this particular context.
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Note added at 4 days (2020-07-16 12:46:36 GMT)
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I fear you have a concept of irony that is different from mine. Many people think irony is a form of humour. It absolutely is not in this particular context.
Note from asker:
| Nothing ironic here I'm afraid! This was a paper about the shaping of fascist ideology. I discussed this word heavily with my client, a uni researcher, and he says that stripe and razza are two different concepts in Italian. He explained that that stirpe has more of a cultural connotation than race, which is strictly about science. This paper was all about this difference: while German fascism based its racism on biological factors, the Italian versione was based on a more "spiritual" connotation of what a race actually is, hence the use of stirpe instead of razza. |
| Sorry, I should have added that he asked me to use the term "descent". I'm not sure that a perfect translation of the term exists. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Isabelle Johnson
5 mins
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Thank you Isabelle
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Roberta Broccoletti
44 mins
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Thank you Roberta
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Gabriel Ferrero
9 hrs
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Thank you Gabriel
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