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Kirill Semenov 
Украина
Local time: 03:39
Член ProZ.com c 2004
английский => русский
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Jari Nousiainen wrote:
Well, I don't know, Kirill. Askers don't always give you points for the right answers as it is, and I don't find that very encouraging, to be honest.
What I've meant by "abuse" here is not about points or wrong choices or something. But when I see that a person ask 20+ answers per day in a pair and it goes for two or three or more days, it's obvious for me, that the person has got a job which does not suit his areas of specializstion. Moreover, when you stick to a pair, you reconignize such people by their names. And, I regret to say, this is a routine...
So, my proposal is simple: let's create not "Pro" and "Easy" areas with those many controversial issues to distinguish between the two, but "Professional" and "Non-professional" areas: the first one with usual kudoZ points we all are used to, and the second without kudoZ points at all -- just for a sheer pleasure of answering. No points, and it's designed for _non_members_ (not _professional translators_). As for professional translators, they should support their expertise by giving good answers in kudoZ and helping the other proS.
My best regards to everybody!
[Edited at 2003-12-12 19:35]
| | | | Paul Roige (X)
Испания
Local time: 02:39
английский => испанский
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| Question and Judgement Day | Dec 12, 2003 |
Ed Vreeburg wrote:
If you need to ask 10 questions about 1 text, you probably should not have taken the job in the first place...
Now, I´m not saying that you cannot be surprised by a small piece of very complicated text in the middle of your work, but 10 does seem to me like an awfull lot.
Ed
Not necessarily, but I do appreciate the insertion of "probably". What if the poster who asks 10 questions is dealing with, say, a 20,000 word assignment and that's all the doubts s/he has? Problem is, we'll never know. Not even our problem either, but because of the nature of this site there's often a tendency to engage in ego trips and putting down posters for this or that.
If the poster is really having trouble with the test and accepted a job beyond their capabilities, we can only pity them. The hell they'll go through will most surely put them off it for ever. Our problem really?
Then, I hardly ask any questions nowadays due to fear of smarties, who I find to be a feng shui nightmare, something I don't need in my kitchen. Pity too, as with most of my questions what I usually need is a second opinion, or ask them because sometimes I fail to see the obvious after 8 hours translating non-stop, or simply for fun, or because sometimes (yeah!) I haven't the slightest clue, and, last but not least, because I love the contact with (a number of) other professionals, in many cases people who are a million times better than me and there's so much to learn from them and I know it.
It used to be that way, but seeing that there are quite a few who find offense in receiving questions (as this seems to damage their fragile e-mail preferences apparently), and not wanting to offend anybody, I am now so careful I hardly ask anything anymore. And I know this is the case of many good professionals that once used to roam around here.
My loss, I know, Proz is a great tool — but I will keep using it in several other ways, of course... — but there you go. I'm doing fine anyway.
Kindest regards
Paul
ps: not long ago, after spending two hours searching the Universe for a term in Spanish (my native language) I decided to (oh dear!) ask the question at another translators' site. I got six different answers from professionals with credentials and whatnot. At least 4 were wrong. I did not think any less of those translators. Not my job.
[Edited at 2003-12-12 22:44]
| | | | | Clarification: Mods can set local limits | Dec 12, 2003 |
My prior posting should have been more complete.
It is wrong for a non-mod to arbitrarily demand that others limit their number of questions. However, moderators do have the authority to develop guidelines, and to encourage their observance.
ProZ.com staff knows that every language-pair subcommunity is different. Even within subcommunitities, judgement is required to determine how many questions is "too many". Moderators have therefore been given discretion in setting g... See more My prior posting should have been more complete.
It is wrong for a non-mod to arbitrarily demand that others limit their number of questions. However, moderators do have the authority to develop guidelines, and to encourage their observance.
ProZ.com staff knows that every language-pair subcommunity is different. Even within subcommunitities, judgement is required to determine how many questions is "too many". Moderators have therefore been given discretion in setting guidelines for "local" limits.
This level of guidance by the moderators is important to the site running smoothly. So if it is a moderator suggesting that you cut back on asking, please be mindful that the moderator is speaking on behalf of the subcommunity (and has the authority to do so.)
My apologies to those who have been misled by my brief posting above, and to the moderators who have been inconvenienced by it! ▲ Collapse
| | | | lien
Нидерланды
Local time: 02:39
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Can't you people live and let live ! The one who complain to receive to much questions : I do not have questions in my mail, I see them every time I go on line on Proz ! I do not have to go on line. I answer if I want to, nobody forces me. I do not care if someone is asking "to much" questions,ask and you will see if someone answers. If someone ask 20 questions in a row, there is always someone to tell something about it.
Please, people, it is working great, self regulating. IF YO... See more Can't you people live and let live ! The one who complain to receive to much questions : I do not have questions in my mail, I see them every time I go on line on Proz ! I do not have to go on line. I answer if I want to, nobody forces me. I do not care if someone is asking "to much" questions,ask and you will see if someone answers. If someone ask 20 questions in a row, there is always someone to tell something about it.
Please, people, it is working great, self regulating. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, STAY OUT OF IT ! let the people enjoy it in place of always complain. ▲ Collapse
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| there are genuine site abusers | Dec 14, 2003 |
anyone can get stuck with a job that ends up giving lots of unexpected problems and Proz is a godsend when that happens. However I do object to people who routinely post countless questions with every job they get in certain fields. Often the questions are very basic and straightforward for someone who actually knows the subject and along with the number, this does give them impression that without Proz, these people would never take the jobs to begin with. There have also been those who have 'f... See more anyone can get stuck with a job that ends up giving lots of unexpected problems and Proz is a godsend when that happens. However I do object to people who routinely post countless questions with every job they get in certain fields. Often the questions are very basic and straightforward for someone who actually knows the subject and along with the number, this does give them impression that without Proz, these people would never take the jobs to begin with. There have also been those who have 'flooded the airways' for weeks on end with questions dealing with a single job.I don't think that the idea of Proz is to keep people afloat who have never bothered to learn to swim. There are plenty of other jobs on dry land. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Mats Wiman
Швеция
Local time: 02:39
Член ProZ.com c 2000
немецкий => шведский
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Памяти | Nobody is obliged to answer anything! | Dec 14, 2003 |
lien wrote:
Can't you people live and let live ! The one who complain to receive to much questions : I do not have questions in my mail, I see them every time I go on line on Proz ! I do not have to go on line. I answer if I want to, nobody forces me. I do not care if someone is asking "to much" questions,ask and you will see if someone answers. If someone ask 20 questions in a row, there is always someone to tell something about it.
Please, people, it is working great, self regulating. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, STAY OUT OF IT ! let the people enjoy it in place of always complain.
Very well put.
If you are 'irritated' by 'too many' questions - do not answer! That is all you need to do.
If you are 'irritated' by seeing the questions in your mailbox - switch off the mail alert function for that language pair!
That is all you need to do in order to escape the terrible fate of seeing 'too many' 'unneccesary' questions.
Best regards from one who cherishes every new stimulating question.
Mats J C Wiman
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[Edited at 2004-02-08 16:47]
| | | | two2tango
Аргентина
Local time: 21:39
Член ProZ.com
английский => испанский
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| The EN-SP & SP-EN experience | Dec 14, 2003 |
In http://www.proz.com/topic/16665 I have posted the criteria used for the English-Spanish + Spanish-English KudoZ questions. Even though they are not ProZ official policy, they have provided a very useful framework in these two sub communities.
The "How many daily questions?" issue is addressed in the following point:
"6. It is considered abusive to post a large number of quest... See more In http://www.proz.com/topic/16665 I have posted the criteria used for the English-Spanish + Spanish-English KudoZ questions. Even though they are not ProZ official policy, they have provided a very useful framework in these two sub communities.
The "How many daily questions?" issue is addressed in the following point:
"6. It is considered abusive to post a large number of questions that suggest that the asker has taken on work for which he or she is not qualified and is resorting to the site to supplement his or her deficiencies. In principle, it is considered site abuse to post more than 15 questions a day. If, for justified causes, the asker has to exceed this limit, it is recommendable to post an explanation with each question."
Regards,
Enrique Cavalitto ▲ Collapse
| | | | Kirill Semenov
Украина
Local time: 03:39
Член ProZ.com c 2004
английский => русский
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| *hand shake* | Dec 14, 2003 |
writeaway wrote:
...I do object to people who routinely post countless questions with every job they get in certain fields...
Exactly what I've meant! It's always a pleasure to try to help people who face an unexpected problem with their translations -- but not those who do their translations assuming that when in need they always get help from proZ community through kudoZ.
And I have to disagree with Mats: I just do not want to turn off my subscription to kudoZ questions! Democracy? OK, it's also mine right to get _really professional questions_ from *registered professionals* in my mail box. Why should I limit myself by turning off kudoZ notifications, etc. just because I do not want some people to abuse the site and ask 20+ questions per day, earning money for account of us?
[Edited at 2003-12-14 22:31]
[Edited at 2003-12-14 22:32]
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Mats Wiman
Швеция
Local time: 02:39
Член ProZ.com c 2000
немецкий => шведский
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Памяти | Avoid unnecessary irritation ! | Dec 14, 2003 |
Kirill Semenov wrote:
Why should I limit myself by turning off kudoZ notifications?
You'll not be irritated and you'll stop talking about abuse if you simply turn the notification OFF.
I did it 2 years ago and I can just as well check questions on Page 1 + "See more questions". If I do not feel like answering, I simply do not look and if I look, I pick only the interesting questions.
It is as simple as that.
Mats
| | | | Kirill Semenov
Украина
Local time: 03:39
Член ProZ.com c 2004
английский => русский
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Mats Wiman wrote:
You'll not be irritated and you'll stop talking about abuse if you simply turn the notification OFF.
It is as simple as that.
Mats
Yes, I know what you mean, but I can not select incoming notifications by askers' names -- and I do not want to miss the questions from askers whom I respect and whom I do want to help as I might; as well as questions which are close to my specialization fields and so are of special interest to me.
Anyway, I'm not as annoyed by my e-mail notifications as by people who get "not theirs" jobs and then try to solve their problems using kudoZ. As for me. "Pro" question means that the asker is a professional translator, and his question is directly connected to earning money with translating. It's OK, I'm just glad to help if I can -- but why he or she can't help other people when they are in need? This is what I call "give-and-take" basis. Otherwise I'm inclined to think some proZ members are indifferent of whom to help, it's just a matter of kudoZ points, nothing personal.
| | | | Andy Watkinson
Испания
Local time: 02:39
Член ProZ.com
каталанский (каталонский) => английский
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Mats Wiman wrote: Kirill Semenov wrote:
Why should I limit myself by turning off kudoZ notifications?
You'll not be irritated and you'll stop talking about abuse if you simply turn the notification OFF. I did it 2 years ago and I can just as well check questions on Page 1 + "See more questions". If I do not feel like answering, I simply do not look and if I look, I pick only the interesting questions. It is as simple as that. Mats
......I intend to sue you for "telepathic eavesdropping".
You will be hearing from my lawyers shortly.
Saludos,
Andy
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