Nov 6, 2008 14:44
15 yrs ago
1 viewer *
English term
face dismissal vs. be dismissed
English
Art/Literary
Linguistics
What is the exact meaning of the phrase ,,face dismissal'' in this short statement below:
''Dear Employee,
Please be advised that anybody found drinking alcohol, or in the possession of alcohol, on the premises of company X will face automatic dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct.''
Is ,,will face dismissal'' synonymous with ''will definitely be dismissed''?
To me, ''facing dismissal'' is like ,,being threatened with dismissal''; the staff member might not, after all, be dismissed.
'Will be dismissed'' is definite, the employee will certainly lose her /his job.
Am I right or wrong?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
''Dear Employee,
Please be advised that anybody found drinking alcohol, or in the possession of alcohol, on the premises of company X will face automatic dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct.''
Is ,,will face dismissal'' synonymous with ''will definitely be dismissed''?
To me, ''facing dismissal'' is like ,,being threatened with dismissal''; the staff member might not, after all, be dismissed.
'Will be dismissed'' is definite, the employee will certainly lose her /his job.
Am I right or wrong?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Responses
4 +4 | will definitely be dismissed | Jack Doughty |
3 +5 | yes, some ambiguity | Armorel Young |
5 +1 | [see below] | Robert Forstag |
3 | face dismissal procedure | Lalit Sati |
Responses
+4
3 mins
Selected
will definitely be dismissed
In the way it is used here, it means that any breach of the alcohol rule will inevitably lead to dismissal.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
2 mins
|
Thank you.
|
|
agree |
Jenny w
6 mins
|
Thank you.
|
|
agree |
Alice Bootman
: Yes, because of the word automatic. If it weren't for that word, it would be more a threat of dismissal.
37 mins
|
Thank you.
|
|
agree |
Patricia Townshend (X)
1 hr
|
Thank you.
|
|
disagree |
David Moore (X)
: I think the "will face" is the key here, and that means "is liable to", to me, not that the person WILL be dismissed.When I was on BR, there was no doubt: anyone drinking on duty "will be dismissed".
3 hrs
|
agree |
Els Spin
: There is no ambiguity, as the dismissal is "automatic".
1 day 8 hrs
|
Thank you.
|
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, Jack!"
+5
9 mins
yes, some ambiguity
I agree with your logic - to "face dismissal" means that there is a prospect of dismissal, but dismissal is not certain, but the word "automatic" seems intended to imply that dismissal will be inevitable.
I read this as leaving management with the opportunity of a bit of leeway if they want it - i.e. they can and may simply dismiss an offender on the spot, and there would be no grounds for objecting if they did so, but if they chose to decide there were special circumstances and they weren't going to dismiss the person, they would also be entitled to do this.
Perphaps it's a bit like saying "The company reserves the right to automatically dismiss ..." - they can do it, but they don't absolutely have to (but in the case of the message you quote I think they probably will!)
I read this as leaving management with the opportunity of a bit of leeway if they want it - i.e. they can and may simply dismiss an offender on the spot, and there would be no grounds for objecting if they did so, but if they chose to decide there were special circumstances and they weren't going to dismiss the person, they would also be entitled to do this.
Perphaps it's a bit like saying "The company reserves the right to automatically dismiss ..." - they can do it, but they don't absolutely have to (but in the case of the message you quote I think they probably will!)
Note from asker:
Thank you, too! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Kim Metzger
2 mins
|
agree |
Sheila Wilson
: The company wants to retain the right NOT to dismiss, as well
2 hrs
|
agree |
David Moore (X)
3 hrs
|
agree |
JohnGBell
1 day 1 hr
|
agree |
Caroline Moreno
7 days
|
+1
3 mins
[see below]
facing dismissal could mean either being threatened with dismissal OR that dismissal will probably or definitely happen. The only thing it definitely does mean is that the dismissal has not yet occurred.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 10 mins (2008-11-06 14:54:39 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I would disagree with Jack only in that the language of the employee policy you cite leaves open the possibility (perhaps as a result of careless wording) that the employeee who drinks might not actually be dismissed. If drinking automatically led to dismissal, the policy ought to read:
Please be advised that anybody found drinking alcohol, or in the possession of alcohol, on the premises of company X will be automatically dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct.''
In US English, "terminated" is typically used in such contexts.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 10 mins (2008-11-06 14:54:39 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I would disagree with Jack only in that the language of the employee policy you cite leaves open the possibility (perhaps as a result of careless wording) that the employeee who drinks might not actually be dismissed. If drinking automatically led to dismissal, the policy ought to read:
Please be advised that anybody found drinking alcohol, or in the possession of alcohol, on the premises of company X will be automatically dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct.''
In US English, "terminated" is typically used in such contexts.
Note from asker:
Thank you, Robert! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Kim Metzger
: IMO, "face dismissal" means there is a strong likelihood but the circumstances would be reviewed.
8 mins
|
10 mins
face dismissal procedure
dismissal procedure according employment law and regulations
Note from asker:
Thank you! |
Discussion