Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
von ... über ... bis (hin) zu
English translation:
from ... through ... to
Added to glossary by
Beate Lutzebaeck
Apr 10, 2002 09:12
22 yrs ago
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German term
New Zealand
Double qualification in law (Germany/NZ)
Native in: German 
, English
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 1 more.
von ... über ... bis (hin) zu
Non-PRO
German to English
Other
I like this tripartite division of the German sentence structure (see sentence below), but I don't seem to be able get this across into English syntax where you only seem to have the option of saying s.th. along the lines of "ranging from bla bla bla to bla bla bla".
"Das Produkt-Portfolio reicht von Wand- und Bodenfliesen über Küchenarmaturen und Tafelgeschirr bis hin zu Wannen, Duschen und Badaccessoires."
Is there any way I could get this across in English, using from ... through [?] ... to ???
"Das Produkt-Portfolio reicht von Wand- und Bodenfliesen über Küchenarmaturen und Tafelgeschirr bis hin zu Wannen, Duschen und Badaccessoires."
Is there any way I could get this across in English, using from ... through [?] ... to ???
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | through |
Cilian O'Tuama
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| 4 +1 | Includes X, Y and Z |
Jan Liebelt
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| 4 +1 | "as well as / even" |
brute (X)
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| 4 | from .... though ... all the way to |
Mary Worby
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| 4 | from....to, from ...to and from ... to |
Karin Walker (X)
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| 4 | from....to...and including |
Susan Geiblinger
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| 4 -1 | from....including...down to.... |
Klaus Dorn (X)
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| 2 | from...through...to |
Mirjam Zulott (X)
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Proposed translations
3 mins
Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
Quality Translations since 1986
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, English, German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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7294
Selected
through
through is fine
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Note added at 2002-04-10 10:17:41 (GMT)
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E.g.
The research encompasses a very wide range of systems, behaviours and concepts, and ranges from phenomenological theories for experimental interpretations to fundamental theories of strongly interacting, random or amorphous and critical systems. A wide variety of techniques is employed, which range from intuitive and phenomenological approaches, through computational ones to highly sophisticated field theoretic, renormalisation and topological methods.
Source: http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/theory/default.asp?page=cmtheory
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Note added at 2002-04-10 10:17:41 (GMT)
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E.g.
The research encompasses a very wide range of systems, behaviours and concepts, and ranges from phenomenological theories for experimental interpretations to fundamental theories of strongly interacting, random or amorphous and critical systems. A wide variety of techniques is employed, which range from intuitive and phenomenological approaches, through computational ones to highly sophisticated field theoretic, renormalisation and topological methods.
Source: http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/theory/default.asp?page=cmtheory
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all! I needed native speaker confirmation as to whether "through" is possible - seems to me that it is not so much a question of "idiomatic correctness" than taste. The points go to Cilian for providing a "real-life" example (with Mirjam a close second ... ;-))."
5 mins
Mary Worby
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Friendly, reliable and accurate!
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
2770
from .... though ... all the way to
The product range extends from .... through ... all the way to ...
Or alternatively ...
The product portfolio ranges from X to Z via Y.
Can't see why that shouldn't work!
HTH
Mary
Or alternatively ...
The product portfolio ranges from X to Z via Y.
Can't see why that shouldn't work!
HTH
Mary
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Jan Liebelt
: It's not a journey.
3 mins
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Nobody ever suggested it was - this is perfectly normal usage!
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| agree |
Elvira Stoianov
41 mins
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-1
6 mins
Klaus Dorn (X)
Native in German
&
English
Klaus Dorn (X)
We love languages!
Native in: English , German
Works in: German to English, English to German, Turkish to English, and 3 more.
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Related KudoZ points
:
1514
from....including...down to....
would be my suggestion:
the product range extends from ....tiles, includes kitchen.....and ...... down to tubs.
the product range extends from ....tiles, includes kitchen.....and ...... down to tubs.
6 mins
from...through...to
This was as well my first idea of how to translate it. I nevertheless checked it in the PONS and according to them you can use it.
+1
8 mins
Jan Liebelt
France
France
Native in English
France
Your ideas, our languages
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
:
77
Includes X, Y and Z
There is no logical sequence, though this is a favourite ploy in German.
Stick to "includes" and "and", is your best bet.
Stick to "includes" and "and", is your best bet.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Anja Brito
: I agree with those who feel that from... via/through... to... sounds translated and think that the solutions proposed by Jan Liebelt and xxxbrute work really well in most cases, if you want to avoid this germanicism. Anja
887 days
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32 mins
from....to, from ...to and from ... to
I have had this problem a lot so I am glad someone has finally posted this as a query! OK, the above might look funny but I like using it (only once in one text, mind) if the list is quite long. The "through", "via" or "over" option sounds very translated to me and I have only used it (usually "via") when I had no other choice. I have not actually seen the tripartite division in any original English text, as far as I can remember.
HTH
Karin
HTH
Karin
51 mins
Susan Geiblinger
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Not satisfied until you are
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, English to German, English
Related KudoZ points
:
136
from....to...and including
I would have put it his way round
+1
1 hr
brute (X)
brute (X)
SOLID NATIVE SPEAKER TRANSLATIONS!
Works in: English to German, German to English
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Related KudoZ points
:
255
"as well as / even"
"The product portfolio contains wall and ground tiles, as well as kitchen armatures and china, even tubs, showers and accessories"!
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Anja Brito
: I agree with those who feel that from... via/through... to... sounds translated and think that the solutions proposed by Jan Liebelt and xxxbrute work really well in most cases, if you want to avoid this germanicism. Anja
887 days
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