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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

gratuite

English translation:

wanton

Added to glossary by Elena Robert
Mar 12, 2006 20:44
20 yrs ago
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French term

gratuite

...douze colonnes incendiaires. Celles-ci entreprennent, à partir de janvier 1794, l’extermination, ***gratuite*** et délibérée, de la population de la Vendée.

I understand the meaning, but am not sure about the best way to render it in this context.
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Mar 12, 2006 21:09: df49f (X) changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "History" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"

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Proposed translations

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8 mins
Selected

wanton

… and I think it would be better to swap them round: 'deliberate and wanton'
Peer comment(s):

agree Debbie Tacium Ladry : yes, 'deliberate and wanton' is good. :)
9 mins
thanks
agree Carol Gullidge
19 mins
thanks
agree Peter Shortall
23 mins
thanks
agree Gina W
42 mins
thanks
agree Bourth (X)
42 mins
thanks
agree zaphod
1 hr
thanks
agree Cervin : ..says it in a nutshell!
2 hrs
agree Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
2 hrs
agree Rachel Ward
12 hrs
agree IC --
15 hrs
agree xuebai
16 hrs
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+6
2 mins

gratuitously

to get things rolling

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Note added at 3 mins (2006-03-12 20:47:36 GMT)
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unwarranted
Peer comment(s):

agree suezen : gratuitous. Could also use unfounded/unmotivated but gratuitous is better IMO
2 mins
agree Philip Taylor : gratuitous
3 mins
agree Sara Noss
12 mins
agree Tony M : gratuitous
18 mins
agree Carol Gullidge : but use the adjective, not adverb, as Dusty and Philip suggest)
22 mins
agree Assimina Vavoula
10 hrs
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13 mins

mindless

... the premeditated, mindless extermination of the ...
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15 mins

wanton/ unnecessary

more suggestions...
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+2
23 mins

gratuitous

"the gratuitous and deliberate extermination..."

(just one of several possiblities)
Peer comment(s):

agree emiledgar : Absolutely!
2 hrs
thankyou/merci, Emil!
agree IC --
15 hrs
thankyou, icg!
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+2
41 mins

unjustified

Cheers
Peer comment(s):

agree sarahl (X)
0 min
Thanks, Sarah
agree IC --
14 hrs
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+1
50 mins

comment

I think this is a case where different overlappings of meanings between French and English means you have to be careful in choosing your adjectives.

"Wanton" already has a notion of "intent, deliberateness", so to repeat "deliberate" is pointless.

"wanton - 3. senseless, unprovoked, unjustifiable, or DELIBERATELY malicious ..."

Possibly "wanton" is sufficient. Otherwise the obvious "deliberate" could well be replaced by something like "orchestrated", if the implication is that the people doing the extermination were set to the task by a higher authority.

"orchestrated wanton extermination". Which reminds me, that Slob. Milosevic is dead, none too soon. Plus ça change, plus ça reste la même chose.
Peer comment(s):

agree Joanne Nebbia : but did he jump or ....
12 mins
Heart attack, it was announced an hour or so ago. If he was pushed, whoever did it deserves a medal in my books (having just rewatched "Warriors").
neutral Debbie Tacium Ladry : My dico has various definitions for wanton, but none of them include a sense of deliberateness. In this context, 'wanton' means having no just foundation or provocation. Or: merciless and inhumane.
33 mins
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