French term
sucré-salé
Context: "Les plus fins gastronomes sauront [se servir de notre sirop d'agave pour] agrémenter chacun de leurs plats sucrés-salés au déjeuner ou au dîner."
I can think of nothing other than descriptive solutions such as "dishes that are savory yet sweet." Would appreciate suggestions for improvement!
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Theresa Shepherd (X)
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| 3 +10 | sweet and savoury |
Estelle Demontrond-Box
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| 3 +4 | sweet 'n' savoury |
Tony M
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| 5 | salty-sweet |
Patrice
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| 5 | sweet and salty |
Djalil
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| 4 | each of their dishes which are both sweet and savoury |
Chris Hall
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Proposed translations
rework the sentence here
"to add a sweet note to savory dishes..."
Just a thought!
219 témoignages et ils ne cessent pas...
Native in: English (Variants: UK, British)
Works in: French to English, English
each of their dishes which are both sweet and savoury
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Tony M
: Horridly clumsy, Chris, and IMO really not at all a suitable style for what appears to be a 'marketing' sort of text. (Oh, and I don't think 'chacun' is best rendered by 'each' here, either) / Six words to replace two?
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OK Tony, in a democratic society each is entitled to express their own opinion. I have no problem with that. "Horribly clumsy" is a bit extreme though I believe.
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Qualified Translator & Published Writer
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, French to English, French
sweet and savoury
http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Sweet_And_Savoury_Spr...
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Note added at 7 mins (2009-10-23 15:05:19 GMT)
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http://www.amazon.com/Rice-Recipe-Book-Savoury-Dishes/dp/184...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19370126&id=2...
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Tony M
: I do agree with your suggested term, though please note that your ref. is actually irrelevant, as it refers to 'sweet spreads' and 'savoury spreads', rather than 'sweet-and-savoury' spreads, as here
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Oh yes indeed!!! Thank you for the correction!!! ;-))
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emiledgar
: Of course.
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Thank you!
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David Goward
: Maybe the Asker should change name to "Beef'n'CherryPie"!
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Lol! ;-)) Agree too!
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Denise Dewey-Muno
8 mins
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Thank you Denise!
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Mark Nathan
10 mins
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Thank you Mark!
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Lucy-Jane Michel
: I wonder if the 'and' is totally necessary...
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Thank you Lucy-Jane!
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Myriam Dupouy
15 mins
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Merci Myriam!
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Evans (X)
15 mins
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Thank you Gilla!
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Chris Hall
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Merci CHris!! ;-)
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Karen Stokes
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Thank you Karen!
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salty-sweet
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Tony M
: Absolutely not! In UK EN, to say something is 'salty' is almost always a negative idea — that it is too salty. This word-for-word literal approach simply isn't appropriate in this kind of context and register / Thx, Theresa, for that clarification!
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Oh, you are so harsh :) I stand by my suggestion in this context.
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Theresa Shepherd (X)
: Tony, we do tend to say "salty-sweet" here in the US for things like the pineapple and ham pizza CherryPie mentioned. But I agree it is not really appropriate for foie gras + onion jam so it is best left for another context (like selling Reese's cups!)
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Theresa, please see my comment above. I appreciate your (qualified) support.
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sweet 'n' savoury
Otherwise, one might use hyphens, thus:
sweet-and-savoury
or even a slash:
sweet/savoury ... though personally, I always think they are out of place in a marketing text (and also remain ambiguous, as it could be read as 'or')
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HugoSteckel
: I looked at this as a possibility, too, but ruled it out due to register. However, reconsidering, I think this works fine.. particularly if the gourmet heights of the place are hit by pineapple and ham pizza..
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Thanks, HJS! LOL! (though I think that is probably just Asker's explanation — at least, I hope so!)
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Theresa Shepherd (X)
: I think the hyphens are good, Tony, to avoid the confusion of there being separate sweet and savo[u]ry dishes as you mentioned.
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Thanks, Theresa! I think the much-maligned hyphen is to a great extent sadly overlooked as an aid to comprehension.
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Chris Hall
: Suitable for US, but unsuitable for UK. Sweet and sour - in UK English, I would never use "sweet 'n' sour". The only real widespread combination of this type in UK English is "pick 'n' mix".
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I'm a Brit myself, and you really do see this a lot — particularly on things like food packaging.
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Michael GREEN
: Hard to choose between your answer and Theresa's - much as I would probably have difficulty making a choice of dish on Asker's menu! Like the hyphens too, BTW.
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Thanks, Michael!
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Nina Iordache
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Thanks, Nina!
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sweet and salty
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Tony M
: Might be OK for the US, but definitely inadvisable for the UK; note, though, that the bald use of 'and' like this (regardless of actual word order) remains ambiguous, as the 'both together' aspect is not explicit.
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